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This page is to nominate fresh articles to appear in the "Did you know" section on the Main Page, by a "hook" (an interesting note). Nominations that have been approved are moved to a staging area, from which the articles are promoted into the Queue.

Count of DYK Hooks
Section # of Hooks # Verified
November 10 1
November 11 2
November 12 1
November 15 3
November 24 2
November 29 1
November 30 1
December 3 2 1
December 7 1
December 10 1
December 11 3 2
December 12 9 4
December 13 2
December 14 1 1
December 15 4 2
December 16 2 2
December 17 2 1
December 18 3 2
December 19 11 3
December 20 6 4
December 21 8 5
December 22 7 2
December 23 3
December 24 9 3
December 25 2 1
December 26 4 1
December 27 6 6
December 28 9 7
December 29 5 5
December 30 12 6
December 31 15 6
January 1 13 8
January 2 22 9
January 3 14 6
January 4 12 8
January 5 11 6
January 6 1 1
January 7 9 2
January 8 5
January 9 4
January 10
Total 229 104
Last updated 05:50, 10 January 2021 UTC
Current time is 05:54, 10 January 2021 UTC [refresh]

Instructions for nominators[edit]

Create a subpage for your new DYK suggestion and then list the page below under the date the article was created or the expansion began or it became a good article (not the date you submit it here), with the newest dates at the bottom. Any registered user may nominate a DYK suggestion (if you are not a registered user, please leave a message at the bottom of the DYK project talk page with the details of the article you would like to nominate and the hook you would like to propose); self-nominations are permitted and encouraged. Thanks for participating and please remember to check back for comments on your nomination (consider watchlisting your nomination page).

If this is your first nomination, please read the DYK rules before continuing:
Official DYK criteria: DYK rules and supplementary guidelines
Unofficial guide: Learning DYK

To nominate an article[edit]

Read these instructions completely before proceeding.
For simplified instructions, see User:Rjanag/Quick DYK 2.
Create the nomination subpage.

Enter the article title in the box below and click the button. (To nominate multiple articles together, enter any or all of the article titles.) You will then be taken to a preloaded nomination page.

Write the nomination.

On the nomination page, fill in the relevant information. See Template:NewDYKnomination and {{NewDYKnomination/guide}} for further information.

  • Not every line of the template needs to be filled in. For instance, if you are not nominating an image to appear with your hook, there is no need to fill in the image-related lines.
  • Add an edit summary e.g. "Nominating YOUR ARTICLE TITLE for DYK" and click Save page.
  • Make sure the nomination page is on your watchlist, so you can follow the review discussion.

In the current nominations section find the subsection for the date on which the article was created or on which expansion began (or, if a new Good Article, the date on which it became a GA), not the date on which you make the nomination.

  • At the top of that subsection (before other nominations already there, but below the section head and hidden comment) add {{Did you know nominations/YOUR ARTICLE TITLE}}.
  • Add an edit summary e.g. "Nominating YOUR ARTICLE TITLE for DYK" and click Save page.

How to review a nomination[edit]

Any editor who was not involved in writing/expanding or nominating an article may review it by checking to see that the article meets all the DYK criteria (long enough, new enough, no serious editorial or content issues) and the hook is cited. Editors may also alter the suggested hook to improve it, suggest new hooks, or even lend a hand and make edits to the article to which the hook applies so that the hook is supported and accurate. For a more detailed discussion of the DYK rules and review process see the supplementary guidelines and the WP:Did you know/Reviewing guide.

To post a comment or review on a DYK nomination, follow the steps outlined below:

  • Look through this page, Template talk:Did you know, to find a nomination you would like to comment on.
  • Click the "Review or comment" link at the top of the nomination. You will be taken to the nomination subpage.
  • The top of the page includes a list of the DYK criteria. Check the article to ensure it meets all the relevant criteria.
  • To indicate the result of the review (i.e., whether the nomination passes, fails, or needs some minor changes), leave a signed comment on the page. Please begin with one of the 5 review symbols that appear at the top of the edit screen, and then indicate all aspects of the article that you have reviewed; your comment should look something like the following:

    Article length and age are fine, no copyvio or plagiarism concerns, reliable sources are used. But the hook needs to be shortened.

    If you are the first person to comment on the nomination, there will be a line :* <!-- REPLACE THIS LINE TO WRITE FIRST COMMENT, KEEPING :* --> showing you where you should put the comment.
  • Save the page.

If there is any problem or concern about a nomination, please consider notifying the nominator by placing {{subst:DYKproblem|Article|header=yes|sig=yes}} on the nominator's talk page.

Frequently asked questions[edit]


This page is often backlogged. As long as your submission is still on the page, it will stay there until an editor reviews it. Since editors are encouraged to review the oldest submissions first (so that those hooks don't grow stale), it may take several weeks until your submission is reviewed. In the meantime, please consider reviewing another submission (not your own) to help reduce the backlog (see instructions above).

Where is my hook?[edit]

If you can't find the nomination you submitted to this nominations page, it may have been approved and is on the approved nominations page waiting to be promoted. It could also have been added to one of the prep areas, promoted from prep to a queue, or is on the main page.

If the nominated hook is in none of those places, then the nomination has probably been rejected. Such a rejection usually only occurs if it was at least a couple of weeks old and had unresolved issues for which any discussion had gone stale. If you think your nomination was unfairly rejected, you can query this on the DYK discussion page, but as a general rule such nominations will only be restored in exceptional circumstances.

Search archived DYK nomination discussions[edit]

Instructions for other editors[edit]

How to promote an accepted hook[edit]

  • See Wikipedia:Did you know/Preparation areas for full instructions.
  • Hooks that have been approved are located on the approved nominations page.
  • In one window, open the DYK nomination subpage of the hook you would like to promote.
  • In another window, open the prep set you intend to add the hook to.
  • In the prep set...
    • Paste the hook into the hook area (be sure to not paste in that that)
    • Paste the credit information ({{DYKmake}} and/or {{DYKnom}}) into the credits area.
    • Add an edit summary, e.g. "Promoted [[Jane Fonda]]", preview, and save
  • Back on DYK nomination page...
    • change {{DYKsubpage to {{subst:DYKsubpage
    • change |passed= to |passed=yes
    • Add an edit summary, e.g. "Promoted to Prep 3", preview, and save

How to remove a rejected hook[edit]

  • Open the DYK nomination subpage of the hook you would like to remove. (It's best to wait several days after a reviewer has rejected the hook, just in case someone contests or the article undergoes a large change.)
  • In the window where the DYK nomination subpage is open, replace the line {{DYKsubpage with {{subst:DYKsubpage, and replace |passed= with |passed=no. Then save the page. This has the effect of wrapping up the discussion on the DYK nomination subpage in a blue archive box and stating that the nomination was unsuccessful, as well as adding the nomination to a category for archival purposes.

How to remove a hook from the prep areas or queue[edit]

  • Edit the prep area or queue where the hook is and remove the hook and the credits associated with it.
  • Go to the hook's nomination subpage (there should have been a link to it in the credits section).
    • View the edit history for that page
    • Go back to the last version before the edit where the hook was promoted, and revert to that version to make the nomination active again.
    • Add a new icon on the nomination subpage to cancel the previous tick and leave a comment after it explaining that the hook was removed from the prep area or queue, and why, so that later reviewers are aware of this issue.
  • Add a transclusion of the template back to this page so that reviewers can see it. It goes under the date that it was first created/expanded/listed as a GA. You may need to add back the day header for that date if it had been removed from this page.
  • If you removed the hook from a queue, it is best to either replace it with another hook from one of the prep areas, or to leave a message at WT:DYK asking someone else to do so.

How to move a nomination subpage to a new name[edit]

  • Don't; it should not ever be necessary, and will break some links which will later need to be repaired. Even if you change the title of the article, you don't need to move the nomination page.


Older nominations[edit]

Articles created/expanded on November 10[edit]

In Praise of Blood

Created by Buidhe (talk). Self-nominated at 04:17, 10 November 2020 (UTC).

  • Symbol confirmed.svg Article is long enough, well-cited, and was new enough when nominated. Copyvio check OK. Hook length OK. Good effort in article to create balance on a controversial topic. QPQ done. Ready to go. HouseOfChange (talk) 01:31, 26 November 2020 (UTC) -->
  • Symbol question.svg Hi, I came by to promote this, but the first part of the hook, with the quote, doesn't appear in the article. Yoninah (talk) 13:43, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
@Yoninah: the quote was there when I reviewed it but the article has come under attack and seems to be unstable at the moment. I think we need to wait until there is a stable version before we point to it from the main page. HouseOfChange (talk) 15:01, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
Symbol question.svg OK. Please keep us updated. Yoninah (talk) 15:11, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
@Buidhe, Yoninah, and Narutolovehinata5:, Not yet, sorry. The article was disputed, then frozen, and is now to be rebuilt. I hope to be more helpful soon, after family Christmas subsides. HouseOfChange (talk) 03:30, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
Thank you. Just finish the review once the changes have been done. I noticed that you've made multiple changes to the article so it seems a new reviewer will be needed in any case. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 09:11, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
Narutolovehinata5, Thanks -- and of course you are right that the re-worked article will need a new review from someone who is not me. HouseOfChange (talk) 03:15, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 11[edit]

Alligator Rainwear

  • ... that an Alligator in PVC gave Mary Quant a wet look? Source: "Quant launched her 'Wet Collection' in April 1963 at the Hôtel de Crillon, Paris, featuring entirely PVC garments. ... The material was so innovative that it took another two years before a collaboration with British manufacturer Alligator Rainwear resulted in a commercially viable range of Mary Quant PVC raincoats." ([1])

Created by Edwardx (talk), Philafrenzy (talk), and Whispyhistory (talk). Nominated by Edwardx (talk) at 01:20, 17 November 2020 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Unless the intention was to make the hook vague on purpose (or invite readers to read the Alligator link), I don't think the hook works unless you know what PVC is or are familiar with Quant. Could something less vague be suggested here too? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 09:44, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Yes it is deliberately ambiguous and intended for the final slot as there are no suitable free images for a picture hook. I think ALT1 will make a good hook there. Philafrenzy (talk) 11:35, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Narutolovehinata5, surely all hooks ought to aim to get the reader to click on a link. Quant, Dior and Chanel have been called the three most important fashion designers of the 20th century. PVC is a commonly used and well-known material, not just in fashion. Edwardx (talk) 11:38, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
Perhaps the hook could work as an AFD hook with the current wording, but otherwise it still seems too vague personally. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 02:52, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
  • @Edwardx: Would you be okay with the nomination running as an April Fools Day hook? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:08, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg Article was new enough and long enough at the time of the nomination, and is free from close paraphrasing. Whispy provided a QPQ. The "Wet Look" wording is only mentioned (uncited) in the lede, and Mary Quant is not linked in the body but only in the lede. In fact, several statements in the lede are only mentioned there (without a reference) and are not found anywhere else in the article. In addition, the "Recent history" section appears incomplete, as it makes no mention about when the brand was acquired. Meanwhile, the relationship between Alligator Mill and Alligator Rainwear is not made clear in the relevant section. As mentioned earlier, I have some reservations about approving either hook except as part of the AFD set, though I'm willing to request a second opinion from another editor who may be more willing to accept it. As a possible alternative, a hook about how one of the company's owners was a victim of the Munich air disaster is a possible option, though due to it being a negative event, not going with it is acceptable. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 18:10, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
  • @Edwardx: As the nomination is almost a month old and article issues remain, the nomination may be failed unless there is a prompt response and the issues are addressed. Courtesy ping to co-nominators Whispyhistory and Philafrenzy. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 07:28, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
  • I see that Whispyhistory has been expanding the article further and has addressed several concerns that were raised above. Please let me know when you're done working on it so that the review may continue. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 02:38, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
    Thanks @Narutolovehinata5:...Not sure what else to do there. Maybe the others can think of a hook relating to Alligator's assistance being sought to fix/secure the PVC garment seams which led to Quant's PVC products being sold commercially. Whispyhistory (talk) 05:10, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
@Whispyhistory: For one thing, the exact relationship between Alligator Mill and Alligator Rainwear is never elaborated on in the article and isn't immediately obvious in any case. There's also no mention of when and why they were acquired by Baker Street Brands, although if no sources (online or offline) that can elaborate on this, then it's okay. As for the hooks, I'm willing to approve either provided that they run on April Fools, as otherwise the hooks just feel too vague or misleading to be in the quirky slot as is. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 10:32, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
I will look at the sourcing but the whole point of the last slot is to be vague, misleading, and humorous. Philafrenzy (talk) 12:45, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
@Narutolovehinata5:. Thank you for being patient. I have done what I can. Will leave rest to @Philafrenzy and Edwardx:...unless you think I need to do more. Whispyhistory (talk) 21:13, 26 December 2020 (UTC)
Thanks. I'm just waiting for a confirmation that the expansion is finished and the review will continue. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 02:09, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

M. P. Alladin

  • ... that through his depiction of rural Indo-Trinidadian life, artist M. P. Alladin helped legitimise this subject as a topic for portrayal by artists in Trinidad and Tobago? Source: "This major influence among Indian artists was in the subject matter he chose for his paintings. He showed that Indian rural life was a suitable area for exploitation. And like Selvon he gave a new dignity to this subject. The Indian artists now found exciting subjects in their own backyards and their own homes." (James Isiah Boodhoo (1999) The East Indians and the Creative Arts in the Caribbean, Caribbean Quarterly, 45:2-3, 64-66, DOI: 10.1080/00086495.1999.11829617)
    • ALT1:... that M. P. Alladin was called the "Guru of painters" and "the most influential of artists" in Trinidad and Tobago? Source: "M.P., as he was affectionately called, is remembered as the 'Guru of painters' of Trinidad and Tobago in modern times". (Balkaransingh, Satnarine (2017). "The Role of the Tassa Drum Ensemble in Trinidad and Tobago's Cultural Identity Formation". In Hassankhan, Maurits S.; Roopnarine, Lomarsh; Mahase, Radica (eds.). Social and cultural dimensions of Indian indentured labour and its diaspora : past and present. London: Routledge. pp. 319–342.) "He has been without dispute the most influential of artists in Trinidad and Tobago"(James Isiah Boodhoo (1999) The East Indians and the Creative Arts in the Caribbean, Caribbean Quarterly, 45:2-3, 64-66, DOI: 10.1080/00086495.1999.11829617)
    • ALT2:... that M. P. Alladin's artwork gave "new dignity" and legitimacy to the portrayal of rural Indo-Trinidadian life by artists in Trinidad and Tobago?
    • ALT3:... that in Trinidad and Tobago, the depictions of rural Indo-Trinidadian life by M. P. Alladin helped legitimise this subject as a topic for portrayal by artists.

Created by Guettarda (talk). Self-nominated at 19:41, 11 November 2020 (UTC).

Symbol question.svg Interesting influential life, on good sources, offline sources accepted AGF, no copyvio obvious. I'd like to polish a bit on the original hook, finding the other a bit not specific enough. I think Indo-Trinidadian is a tricky expression to start with, and rather think it could begin "that in Trinidad and Tobago, ...", without link - for current countries, which goes also for the article. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:17, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
Thanks so much Gerda Arendt, and I appreciate your help with the hook (I know I'm out of my depth when I try to write about art and artists). What do you think of the Alts 2 and 3? Guettarda (talk) 06:06, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
I think your writing is fine, and we just need to overcome my language limits which may be similar to those of other readers. Having thouht about it, I think we might drop the whole long place name, and create a pipe for the impossible Indo-Trinidadian and Tobagonian which I misunderstood! Only when looking it up did I realise that it actually means "from India" here. Perhaps "people in Trinidad with origin in India"? "Indian" is too ambiguous. I think for the hook, we should drop Tobago, and we might specify just Trinidad after his birth place, and in that place's article. And portrayal is more for portraits, no? My take:
ALT2a: ... that M. P. Alladin depicted rural life of people in Trinidad with origin in India in his paintings, and has been credited with giving "a new dignity" to the topic?
ALT2b: ... that M. P. Alladin depicted rural life of people in Trinidad with origin from India in his art, and has been credited with giving "a new dignity" to the subject?
Or comibinations of the elements. - I always like to meet your name which has all of "my" letters in the same order ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:23, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
  • @Gerda Arendt: and @Guettarda: the last post was made over a month ago. What is the final decision on the hook? Yoninah (talk) 00:28, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
    Yoninah, perhaps you could approve one of the last hooks that I proposed? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:42, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
  • The new alts are good but this sentence needs an inline cite in the article per WP:DYK#Cited hook: Alladin's portrayal of rural Indo-Trinidadian life in his paintings legitimised it as a subject for other Indo-Trinidadian painters who were trained in Western artistic traditions. I suggest this tweak of the hook wording:
  • ALT2c: ... that M. P. Alladin depicted rural Indo-Trinidadian life in his art, and has been credited with giving "a new dignity" to the subject? Yoninah (talk) 13:34, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt: Still needs a review. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 12:53, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 12[edit]

West Bank bantustans

Palestinian-controlled West Bank
Palestinian-controlled West Bank
  • ... that the areas of Palestinian partial autonomy in the West Bank (pictured) currently comprise an "archipelago" of 165 islands? Source: Nathan Thrall (16 May 2017). The Only Language They Understand: Forcing Compromise in Israel and Palestine. Henry Holt and Company. p. 144. ISBN 978-1-62779-710-8. 90 percent of the population of the West Bank was divided into 165 islands of ostensible PA control

Created by Onceinawhile (talk). Self-nominated at 09:05, 13 November 2020 (UTC).

  • Symbol delete vote.svg POV failure, duplicates existing articles. 11Fox11 (talk) 15:05, 13 November 2020 (UTC)
This is the wrong forum. Your blanking is not consistent with WP:DELETE. You are welcome to open a deletion discussion, then we can get back to this afterwards. Onceinawhile (talk) 15:27, 13 November 2020 (UTC)
The POV problems in the article are beyond repair, the article duplicates existing articles. 11Fox11 (talk) 19:17, 13 November 2020 (UTC)
I see that you have never submitted or reviewed at DYK before. I suggest you review the policies and procedures here before commenting further.
Please explain your issues with the article at the talk page so we can proceed constructively. Onceinawhile (talk) 19:22, 13 November 2020 (UTC)
The premise that there are Bantustans is inherently POV premise which couldn't be fixed also like it was pointed is WP:POVFORK of West Bank Areas in the Oslo II Accord --Shrike (talk) 09:00, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
This is the wrong forum. You can call them what you want (islands? enclaves? patchwork? fragments?) but they are real. No respectable source denies that. The sources used in the article are of the highest quality. Onceinawhile (talk) 10:22, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
Comment The article is one sided POV fest with chosen Pro-Palestinian POV authors to push a Bantustan concept in to I/P conflict. Its never could be a DYK material --Shrike (talk) 08:47, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
Hi Shrike, sorry but you are wrong. Let’s discuss on the article talk page (your sources appear to have failed verification), and then come back here afterwards. Onceinawhile (talk) 10:11, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
Did you actually read both sources before making your claim? --Shrike (talk) 10:21, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Given that the article is still there and discussions have been going forth on the article talk page, a new review is clearly needed. BlueMoonset (talk) 01:30, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg The topic of the article is not that clearly defined. To my reading, the main thrust is a mixture between a potential future final state which consists of enclaves, and a coverage of the comparisons of such enclaves (past, present, and future) to the bantustans. Regarding neutrality, while the usage of "bantustan" and related words through quotes seems like a necessary part of covering the topic well, the widespread usage of such words outside of quotes is concerning, and does not reflect common usage. Specifically regarding DYK, the proposed hook is inadequate, as it does not cover either of the entwined topics I mentioned before. Looking at just the hook alone the expected bolded article would be West Bank Areas in the Oslo II Accord. If the intended topic of the article is just those areas, then this article would be a POVFORK. If the intended topic is otherwise, and this can be clarified, the hook would need to relate to that topic. CMD (talk) 17:25, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
Hi @Chipmunkdavis: thank you for these comments. The article has undergone significant improvements in the last two weeks, and an RM is still ongoing. This topic does seem to have struck a chord with a lot of editors; it was described in Haaretz a couple of years ago as "the most outstanding geopolitical occurrence of the past quarter century." I have also made some tweaks to the hook above. I suspect there will be further discussion on the talk page, including another RM, so I think it is better to wait a little further until reviewing again. Regards, Onceinawhile (talk) 22:16, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

Comment Nothing has changed its same POV fest with cherry picked sources to present one sided POV.Its not DYK material --Shrike (talk) 07:05, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

Note that this editor has behaved this way previously in DYK nominations about well-sourced topics covering elements of the Israeli occupation of the West Bank. See Template:Did you know nominations/Old City of Hebron.
Raising concerns is good, and to be encouraged. But this editor raises non-specific concerns which cannot be addressed, and makes no effort to address the concerns themselves or engage in any real discussion. At Old City of Hebron they started with a few specific comments, which were all addressed, then pivoted to general comments which they refused to engage in discussion on.
I am not saying this article is perfect – as I have said above, there is work to do and discussions are ongoing. I am simply highlighting that there is a chance that this editor repeats the above claim going forward even when the article is ready and discussions have been resolved.
Onceinawhile (talk) 07:49, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
Its not only me.Other editors opined that the article is problematic exactly like in the example you brought --Shrike (talk) 10:46, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
Raising concerns is good and helpful. Topics related to the Israeli occupation of the West Bank are often politically sensitive, and our open-source encyclopedia is the best place on the internet for the topic precisely because we get input from editors of all persuasions.
If you don’t follow up your concerns with constructive discussion or editing, and endlessly repeat the non-specific claims, it is disruptive. Onceinawhile (talk) 11:00, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
I'm happy to leave this article on hold for now, but it cannot be considered for DYK while it remains unstable. I hope that the ongoing talk page discussions will provide more input regarding neutrality concerns. Perhaps the RM and similar discussions can also help hone in on a clear article topic. On DYK specific concerns, the current article posits the main topic as "proposed enclaves", and I would prefer a hook that reflects that topic (even though the current situation was undoubtedly proposed at some point). Hook assessment will also require a more stable article. CMD (talk) 11:09, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
Agree w Chipmunkdavis. Also, the hook is confusing to me. What's the other 10 per cent? One island? 1000 islands? Not under PA control? Full PA control? It's just very confusing. 2604:2000:E010:1100:6014:F444:B44D:4B1D (talk) 07:19, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
Hi Narutolovehinata5, yes – we have started to see some stability at the article, which is very encouraging. The editor above, Shrike, who has a track record of regular sniping at Israel-related DYKs but does not engage in constructive dialogue, has sadly continued this trend of non-engagement. His input would be appreciated. There remains an open RfC, which needs to be resolved before this DYK can proceed. Onceinawhile (talk) 02:59, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

Narutolovehinata5, The problem that the author has history of writing one sided WP:POV articles against the policy its not only my opinion but other editors think so also.Talk:West_Bank_bantustans#NPOV_concerns.Also there is an emerging consensus about name change against the author wishes. But let ask other editor that opined in this DYK if its became DYK material.@Buidhe:, @11Fox11: Could you please give your opinion about the article if it ready for DYK --Shrike (talk) 07:14, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

Not ready, very POV. It was almost deleted, but just barely closed no-consensus at AfD. I probably will start a merge discussion soon. 11Fox11 (talk) 06:29, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
  • The article doesn't seem to be very stable at the moment so I would suggest withholding a final review until that is resolved. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 02:16, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
    • I have been checking in occasionally, but I am leaning towards expecting this article will inherently not be stable enough for DYK at the moment. CMD (talk) 02:33, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Symbol delete vote.svg Given the stability and neutrality issues, as well as the disagreements between editors as to if the article is suitable for DYK or should even have an article at all, it appears that the article meeting DYK requirements is not feasible at this time. As such, this is now marked for closure. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 02:39, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

Narutolovehinata5, any chance we could wait until the (possible) name change and then take a view? The article is actually very stable; despite all the friction over the name, there has not been a single edit war as far as I am aware. This is because the editors claiming POV have not brought any sources to support their claims. There doesn't seem to be any rush, and I don't think it is healthy to give in to this kind of transparent behavior which is, again, unsupported by sources. Onceinawhile (talk) 10:05, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

At least three separate editors have mentioned that the article is lacking in either stability or neutrality, and I haven't seen any comments from you explaining how the article is in fact neutral and stable apart from you dismissing their comments instead of addressing their concerns, regardless of their validity. In addition, I took a look at the article's history and it is still being continuously edited by other editors. At the very least, given the status of the article is in flux, it does not appear ready for DYK at this time. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 11:56, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
Hi Narutolovehinata5, yes I agree it should wait until the RM is done and any subsequent proposals are fully discussed. But I would appreciate if it was not closed at this point; I don't think we should set a precedent game plan for the exclusion of "difficult" subjects from DYK. Onceinawhile (talk) 12:33, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
As to "explaining how the article is in fact neutral", it has been built from a bibliography of almost 100 sources, primarily widely respected scholars and commentators. The sources have a reasonable balance of Israeli and Palestinian authors (albeit more Israeli than Palestinian), as well as American and other international authors.
I note that two months ago an opposing editor described it as a "one-sided POV fest with chosen Pro-Palestinian POV authors"; unfortunately in two months that editor has failed to provide a single source from any other POV. The article has also been expanded significantly since the date of that comment. Should this editor, or others, make further claims going forward, I hope they will be asked to substantiate them with actual sources, which – should these sources exist – could then be addressed. Onceinawhile (talk) 01:54, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

Perhaps this is a good moment to step back and consider how we think about DYK articles which cover "difficult" subjects. See below two examples which I have been involved in over the last couple of years, with some of the same opposing editors here, and which both relate to some of the more "sensitive" areas of the way the West Bank is run:

The first of these went through, only after I conceded to temporarily remove any reference to words which did not reflect well on Israeli policy, despite them being well-sourced. The second I withdrew, because the opposing comments essentially said that unless the article was rewritten to duplicate Hebron#History then they would not consider it fulsome. In both cases, as here, the opposing editors did not make any effort to edit the article themselves, and in the subsequent years did not edit the articles either. I would appreciate thoughts on how we should approach such situations more broadly. Onceinawhile (talk) 10:30, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 15[edit]

Geology of Himachal Pradesh

geological map of Himachal Pradesh
geological map of Himachal Pradesh
  • ... that rocks in Himachal Pradesh are heavily thrusted and immensely folded? Source: [10.1130/GES00627.1]
    • ALT1:... that ...?

Created/expanded by Nykwong (talk). Nominated by Graeme Bartlett (talk) at 04:20, 23 November 2020 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg This is a student nomination, and was nominated more than a month after creation, well outside the DYK window. Its edit history is a prime example of an article development that should have used the draft space. There are file licensing concerns, for example File:Major rivers in himachal.png, although they appear very much good faith and a result of unfamiliarity with our system. There's a few unsourced bits and pieces, but overall the article appears decent, so I am willing to extend significant IAR and do a more detailed review if the author wants to work on it, which they should indicate on this page. CMD (talk) 11:56, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
  • CMD, the article was moved from the nominator's sandbox to mainspace on 15 November, so it was nominated one day beyond the seven-day DYK deadline. For this kind of delay, only minimal IAR is needed. For these annual Geology nominations, nominator Graeme Bartlett is the one ultimately responsible for these, and is who you should be working with. BlueMoonset (talk) 22:32, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
  • Thanks BlueMoonset and Graeme, my apologies Graeme and Nykwong, I was misinterpreting things yesterday. A bit ill. Hopefully I will get the rest of this right. As I said the overall article is quite good. There's a few unsourced parts in "Development of the thrust wedge". I think the source intended is the one in the File:Accretion 1217.jpg caption, if so it should be duplicated into the prose. A page number would be helpful too. The last sentence of "Wedge extrusion model" may be from the immediately preceding Vannay et al source, but I can't access it to check (wiley website isn't working for some reason). The Climatic control on topographic growth section has some minor bits outside of sources, I assume they could be supportable by the Thiede source, but can't access it. I've made some other relevant tweaks myself.
  • On DYK specific needs, the hook seems a bit uninspiring. It could use some extra details, perhaps the geologic eras involved, the Indian and Eurasian plate collision, or the multiple tectonic units at the surface. Another hook topic may be the interaction between rainfall and isostatic load in the region, although this may be tricky to word accessibly. Best, CMD (talk) 02:36, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

Little Ice Age volcanism

graph of average temperature on the Earth
graph of average temperature on the Earth
  • ... that Little Ice Age volcanism is likely to have caused global cooling? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)
  • Reviewed: SY Gunilda
  • Comment: Part of Regional Geology course

Moved to mainspace by Marcolam308 (talk). Nominated by Graeme Bartlett (talk) at 03:30, 23 November 2020 (UTC).

  • I oppose the hook. Based on the reference for this very image, there was essentially no global cooling during the so-called Little Ice Age. LIA was a regional phenomenon. See Hawkins, Ed (January 30, 2020). "2019 years". climate-lab-book.ac.uk. Archived from the original on February 2, 2020. RCraig09 (talk) 23:28, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
That's not entirely true. It seems that there was some global cooling towards the end of the little ice age due to volcanism, as shown be the pages2k consortium. Femke Nijsse (talk) 10:00, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
I agree that there were a couple of volcano-related temperature declines during the LIA. But the hook misleadingly ~suggests that volcanism-induced cooling was "special" to the LIA. The pages2k chart shows such declines outside the LIA as well. Such a hook might be generally appropriate to Volcanism or Volcano, but not specific to the LIA. —RCraig09 (talk) 19:29, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg This is a student nomination from a student who is not editing anymore. Nomination is one day outside the seven day window. There's scattered unsourced sentences, but they're quite general and the article would meet length requirements even if they were simply deleted. Earwig is only picking up short phrases. Clearly the hook is causing quibbles, so a new one could be used. RCraig09 and Femke Nijsse, if either of you have time could you take a quick look to see if the article is accurate as a whole, and if there are interesting points you feel would serve as a hook? CMD (talk) 03:27, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
I think it's a shame the article hasn't used modern sources much. The term "little ice age" has fallen somewhat out of fashion, so that may explain the bias towards older sources. Our article now says there have been three cooling periods, and I can only discern the last one in https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6675609/ (and another one just before LIA). I'm not sure what quality we expect of DYK articles, but I suspect doesn't meet those. If it does, we could add:

ALT1 ... that Little Ice Age volcanism likely caused global cooling in the early 19th century.

  • Definitely, any hook should be limited to shorter periods of time, to avoid any implication that the earth as a whole experienced a substantial, persistent net cooling over 3-5 centuries. Separately: besides the hook, I agree with User:Femkemilene/Femke Nijsse that the article likely doesn't meet Wikipedia standards, and correcting the issues might demand a long time of editors conversant with quite technical subject matter. —RCraig09 (talk) 18:49, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

ALT2 ... that Little Ice Age volcanism likely caused short periods of global cooling in the __th—__th centuries.

Quality-wise, DYK articles are required only to be neutral, appropriately sourced, and without plagiarism. It's not too high a bar, and I feel you both may be operating from higher standards. I noticed Marcolam308 has made a new edit, so perhaps they may further improve the article and/or comment here. CMD (talk) 15:57, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

Earth system interactions across mountain belts

Flat slab subduction
Flat slab subduction

Moved to mainspace by Hrhunt (talk). Nominated by Graeme Bartlett (talk) at 03:21, 23 November 2020 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg The hook needs to be formatted. Yoninah (talk) 16:22, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Hook has been formatted. Full review of nomination needed. BlueMoonset (talk) 07:46, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg Much of the article is unreferenced and that includes the entire Earth systems section with all of its subsections. The vast quantity of unreferenced information also means that the information below the images are unreferenced as well. The article is also an orphan and it has a disambiguation needed notice for respiration. Otherwise, I am able to verify the hook and some of the information with the provided sources. I assume good faith on the rest of the information. A QPQ has been completed. The image is free use. SL93 (talk) 01:32, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
  • I left another notice at the nominator's talk page. The page creator has not edited for the past month. Yoninah (talk) 21:09, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
  • Thanks, I will try to add more referencing. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 20:37, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
Graeme has been unable to respond to numerous pings but has nevertheless continued editing. I'll leave them a final talk page message, but if they still cannot respond, the geology noms will unfortunately need to be closed as stale. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 02:18, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 24[edit]

Climate change in Kenya

Created/expanded by Gbadegesin Muhammed (talk) and Sadads (talk). Nominated by EMsmile (talk) at 16:40, 30 November 2020 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg @EMsmile: This interesting article is new enough and long enough. The hook facts for ALT0 and ALT1 are cited inline, and the article is neutral. Unfortunately the article contains significant amounts of close paraphrasing. I rewrote one sentence that showed up with the Earwig tool, but then found other examples. The paragraph on tea for example includes "Sustainability of the industry is thus crucial to the country’s socio-economic well-being and development", which is lifted straight from the source. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 11:59, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
Hi @Cwmhiraeth: thank you for pointing that out. I wasn't aware of that - most of the work was done by Gbadegesin Muhammed but also some others during the Wiki4Climate edit-a-thon. I should have checked with the tool myself. We'll work on that issue. Is there a time frame by which we have to have improved it by? EMsmile (talk) 16:26, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
Cwmhiraeth, I noticed the close paraphrasing myself when discussing the nomination of this article with EMsmile. I've done some copyediting without looking at the sources (apologies for not managing to do it before the review), for grammar and flow, and currently earwig isn't pulling up too much. CMD (talk) 16:54, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
Bah I've found some egregious examples that earwig isn't picking up. This will require a thorough check. CMD (talk) 17:04, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
@EMsmile: Thank you both. There is no particular time frame for sorting it out, but ideally, each paragraph should be compared with its source. That's how I noticed the paragraph about tea. New editors don't always understand about copyright. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 20:23, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
@EMsmile and Cwmhiraeth: Gone through the article. Wouldn't say no to some double-checking/spot-checking if possible, but I think I've at least got most of it. CMD (talk) 16:35, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
@Chipmunkdavis:, thanks so much. I know that @PlanetCare: is also tackling this article these days. We discussed (in the Wiki4Climate Slack channel) the idea of using more of the standard structure that was proposed by WikiProject Climate Change. So hopefully it will continue to improve over the course of the week. EMsmile (talk) 06:01, 4 January 2021 (UTC)


Improved to Good Article status by Shooterwalker (talk). Self-nominated at 19:59, 25 November 2020 (UTC).

  • checkY Article is long enough (9789 characters), is a GA, nominated in time (became GA on 24 November, nominated on 25 November), and article is within policy
  • ☒N WP:DYKHOOK says that "If the subject is a work of fiction or a fictional character, the hook must involve the real world in some way." This hooks is completely in-universe about Star Control and Mass Effect game universes, and the casual reader would have no idea what this hook is about. Please can you provide a hook that adheres to the above rule?
  • checkY QPQ exempt as the user has 1 previous DYK nomination
  • Symbol question.svg Overall the article is good, but the hook needs to be changed. Joseph2302 (talk) 17:58, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
Checking back in on this. (I received what appears to be a phantom talk page notice.) Shooterwalker (talk) 14:52, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oh sorry, this slipped my mind too. ALT1 is still confusing, because it's the same information as ALT0 but with the text in a different order. Most casual Wikipedia readers (myself included) wouldn't understand this or why it's interesting at all. Joseph2302 (talk) 17:21, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
  • I can see how it's a little too specific. Let me try again:
  • ALT2: ... that the Ur-Quan from the 1992 science fiction game Star Control II are ranked among the best game antagonists of all time, and have influenced character designs from modern games?
Aiming for a more general audience. Shooterwalker (talk) 18:05, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 29[edit]

Valentina (singer)

Created/expanded by Moscow Connection (talk). Self-nominated at 20:45, 6 December 2020 (UTC).

Symbol question.svg Interesting song and singer, and I'm looking at both. Good foreign sources accepted AGF. Please mark the language of each source not English. No copyvio obvious. I am not happy with the hooks' wording. How about something like
ALT3: ... that Valentina won the Junior Eurovision Song Contest singing "J'imagine", as the first victory of France in the contest? - Also waiting for qpq. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:03, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
  • Sorry, I forgot about the QPQ. Could you please wait till Tuesday or Wednesday? I'm also going to expand the first article a bit. (Look at the French one I wrote. It's better.) --Moscow Connection (talk) 08:17, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 30[edit]


  • Comment: Note: I am one day over in submitting this, because it was previously up for consideration at WP:ITNC (discussion), and only fell off the page there at midnight this morning. So any leeway you could give it would be appreciated.
  • Reviewed: The Adults Are Talking

Converted from a redirect by Ktin (talk), Jheald (talk), and My very best wishes (talk). Nominated by Jheald (talk) at 18:36, 8 December 2020 (UTC).

  • Symbol voting keep.svg The article is new enough and long enough. The rationale for the two nonfree images is perfectly argued. I had some doubt for the first image, but searching in google-images didn't show the same image anywhere else. The article is neutral and well sourced. The "Earwig's Copyvio Detector" don't show any copyvio (it just marked the quoted part). You have done a great job, congratulations. Alexcalamaro (talk) 20:03, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment: in spirit of MOS:PEACOCK, I suggest the following blurb: ... that AlphaFold 2 won the 14th biannual CASP competition achieving 92% accuracy, essentially solving the decades-old protein folding problem. --bender235 (talk) 01:26, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
  • @Bender235: While claims such as "In a serious sense the single protein single domain [prediction] problem is largely solved" have been widely made (that quote is from conference chair John Moult's closing presentation to the conference), were very widely featured as a top line in media coverage, and have also been supported in thoughtful commentary by eg Mohammed AlQuraishi [3], they have also met with opposition; and so we are not currently running them on the article. (Though this could be changed). See article talk page for extended discussions. That is why I submitted the DYK text as above.
Note also that while AF2 has made a very significant advance in the protein structure prediction problem, this is a different question to the question of how protein folding develops in nature, so caution should be taken not to confuse the two. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jheald (talkcontribs) 09:43, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg Returning to WP:DYKN until review is settled. I personally find the ALT0 wordy and difficult to understand. Yoninah (talk) 21:28, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
  • Folks @Jheald, My very best wishes, Alexcalamaro, and Bender235:, this one has been open for sometime now, let's go ahead and drive this one to closure. I think the below text is the best that someone on homepage would be able to follow; anything more and we run the risk that folks find it too wordy or too complex. Let's move ahead, if you are good. Also @Yoninah: I do not want to presuppose your background but can you read the below two hooks as a layperson and let me know if you a) find it interesting b) generally get the gist of this one? If you are not a layperson for this topic, I am happy to go chase down some laypersons for this topic. Cheers.Ktin (talk) 22:42, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
ALT 3.0.... that DeepMind's protein-folding AI AlphaFold 2 has solved a 50-year-old grand challenge of biology? (source: MIT Technology Review).
ALT 4.0 .... that DeepMind's AI AlphaFold 2 can predict the shape of proteins to within a width of an atom? (source: MIT Technology Review).
  • @Ktin: I am a layperson, and I really like ALT 3.0. ALT 4.0 is also more understandable than ALT0. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 22:35, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
  • Thanks @Yoninah:. Wonderful. @Alexcalamaro and Bender235: -- if one of you have a moment, please can you review the above two hooks per the standard WP:DYK hook review guidelines? Cheers. Ktin (talk) 22:42, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
  • I agree with Yoninah, ALT 4 blurb is very catchy. Probably the best choice. --bender235 (talk) 23:04, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
  • @Ktin: I prefer ALT 3.0, I think fits better with the achievement and is more attractive for "the layperson" ;-) . Alexcalamaro (talk) 23:07, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
  • Wonderful. Thanks both of you @Alexcalamaro and Bender235:. Please can one of you review the hooks per our guidelines and approve both the hooks, we can choose one from the two post that or empower the posting Admin to make a choice. But, first step, lets approve the hooks. Cheers. Thanks again folks. Ktin (talk) 23:14, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol confirmed.svg Both hooks ALT  3.0 and ALT 4.0 meet our guidelines Alexcalamaro (talk) 18:08, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

Passing the baton over to you Yoninah to take it from here. I am good with either of the hooks (ALT3 or ALT4). I know you had prefered ALT3 and Bender235 had prefered ALT4. Alexcalamaro -- do you want to cast the tie-breaker vote? ;) Ktin (talk) 18:54, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
I vote for ALT 3.0 option (after all, we are talking about folding proteins). Alexcalamaro (talk) 19:24, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
Thanks much Alexcalamaro. Passing the baton to Yoninah. Over to you now for next steps :) Thanks everyone. I want to specially thank @Jheald and My very best wishes: who have done and continue to do lots of good work on the article. Genuinely thank you folks. Ktin (talk) 19:27, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

Symbol question.svg I think all these versions of hooks, including ALT3 and ALT4 misinform a reader. No, the "50-year-old grand challenge of biology" has not been solved. There will be many future CASP meetings to assess further progress in this direction. Just saying that it "predicts the shape of proteins to within a width of an atom" is also wrong. No, it does not. AlphaFold-2 makes sufficiently precise predictions only for 2/3 of proteins, according to CASP assessors. But even in these good cases it does NOT predict protein structure with such precision for all atoms, as a reader would assume. Actually, such claim is simply ridiculous because there is protein dynamics and there is no such thing as width of an atom. There are only atomic radii, but but this is not a single number; they are very different for different types of atoms. Also, this is not "shape", but a three-dimensional structure. The referencing is to a misleading opinion piece. Author does make a claim that AlphaFold can predict the shape of proteins to within the width of an atom, but he apparently does not have a slightest idea what he is talking about. Let's not multiply the misinformation in Wikipedia. Please see the hook I suggested above (it can be shortened if needed). My very best wishes (talk) 19:51, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

  • All, very good points My very best wishes, but, this gets very close to WP:OR unless substantiated with a clear note from WP:RS. For now, the statements are sourced perfectly from WP:RS, and I think they meet the layperson's needs on the homepage. My suggestion is let's move forward with ALT3 as discussed above. Ktin (talk) 20:12, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
  • Yes, there are indeed WP:News sources about it (some of which claim nonsense like predicting "the shape of proteins to within the width of an atom"). However, this is an extraordinary and exceptional claim about solving a fundamental scientific problem, and not everyone agree (some similar WP:News type sources claim the opposite). I think we do need some WP:MEDRS quality sources here, such as serious independent scientific reviews. There is none. The method (AlfaFold-2) has not been published. The official assessment on CASP has not been published in any peer reviewed journal.
For example, as this article tells, "DeepMind’s press release trumpeted “a solution to a 50-year-old grand challenge in biology” based on its breakthrough performance on a biennial competition dubbed the Critical Assessment of Protein Structure Prediction (CASP). But the company drew criticism from academics because it made its claim without publishing its results in a peer-reviewed paper. ... “Frankly the hype serves no one,” and so on. I just do not think we should multiply this "hype" in WP. My very best wishes (talk) 20:29, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
  • @My very best wishes: in a literal sense the protein folding problem is not "solved," since we can obviously always move the goalposts regarding the necessary precision (≥90% accuracy? ≥99%? ≥99.99%?). The jump in precision at this year's CASP certainly deserves to be called a "breakthrough." I agree that the catchy "width of an atom" is not a precisely determined length (just as the even more popular "width of a human hair" is not); the press release said less than two angstrom, which we could use, too. --bender235 (talk) 21:31, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
Yes, one can say a "breakthrough" (I agree), but one can not say that "the problem was solved" for a number of reasons, such as (a) the protein set on CASP is absolutely not a representative set of proteins (it included only one membrane protein and the group was ranked #43 for this target, it did not include any "intertwined" protein structures or any linear peptides or any proteins with unique sequence in genomes, and so on.), (b) the method has not been even published and is not publicly available for independent evaluation, (c) AF2 has failed for a single multi-domain protein in CASP14 data set, while such proteins represent a majority in Eukaryotes, (c) the method was not tested for protein complexes. This is not at all about the percentage. We simply do not know that percentage. We do not even know the percentage on CASP until the assessment has been officially published. My very best wishes (talk) 18:52, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
  • I would oppose to most of these hooks. OK, let's keep it simple. We do have page AlphaFold. I think this is fair page. However, any hook above (except my suggestion) simply contradicts this page. Does it follow from our AlphaFold page that it "has solved a 50-year-old grand challenge of biology"? No, it does not. Does it follow that AF2 "can predict the shape of proteins to within a width of an atom?" No, it does not. Not at all. Take the lead of this page and summarize it in the hook please. That is what I was trying to do. My very best wishes (talk) 15:03, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
Now, let's consider first hook at the top that the results of DeepMind's AlphaFold 2 program in the CASP 14 protein structure prediction competition have been called "astounding" and transformational?. Well, this is actually much better than last versions. Yes, this is advertisement (just as others), but at least this is not an explicit misinformation. Some people did say that, and most important, yes, the results were very good. My very best wishes (talk) 15:23, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
  • In the spirit of serving our homepage readers, I will still recommend that we go with either of ALT3 or ALT4. Sufficient backing form WP:RS to move ahead. Ktin (talk) 00:00, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
  • Maybe we could change the "problematic" word solve by crack (also used in the MIT review), so we keep the catchy hook for the "layperson", without multiplying the "hype". What do you think of this one? :
ALT 3.1 ... that DeepMind's protein-folding AI AlphaFold 2 has cracked a 50-year-old grand challenge of biology? (source: MIT Technology Review).

Alexcalamaro (talk) 04:06, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

@Alexcalamaro: I am good with this hook (i.e. ALT 3.1). Ktin (talk) 06:30, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg OK, we need an uninvolved reviewer to review ALT3.1. Striking unused hooks Yoninah (talk) 12:48, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
OK. I am an uninvolved reviewer because I was not on CASPs for a long time and I do not have connections to CASP organizers or any participants. I only helped with editing page about AF2 in WP. Here is my independent assessment. Yes, there was a great progress with protein structure prediction on CASP14. True. However, "protein folding problem" was NOT solved by AF2 (yet). This is hype. Here is why:
  1. There was only one transmembrane protein in CASP14 dataset, and AF2 team was ranked #43 for this target; the prediction for this target by AF2 or other groups is far cry from solving the structure. Transmembrane proteins constitute at least 25-30% of proteins in human genome [4] (more by other estimates)
  2. The performance by AF2 was not great for multidomain proteins, as could be expected because AF2 was not tested for predicting protein complexes. The subunits in complexes are similar to domains. Up to 80% of all eukaryotic proteins are multidomain proteins [5].
Was it solved by AF2 at least for single domains of water-soluble proteins? There is no proof of that because
  1. Many proteins are represented by just a single or by a few related sequences in sequence databases, when one can not make large sequence alignment. However, AF2 method is actually based on using large high quality sequence alignments. We do not know if AF2 was tested for such cases and how did it perform.
  2. As follows from presentations on CAS14 (for example, [6]) AF2 did NOT achieve the accuracy of experimental methods. Moreover, looking at the distance cutoff-sequence coverage graphs here for specific CASP14 targets (T1024, T1027, T1028, T1029, T1030, T1032, T1040, T1047, T1052, T1061, T1070, T1091, T1092, T1099 T1100), one can see they are not even very close. For example, T1024 has only 50% of residues covered by best models for distance cutoff of 2A. Yes, they correctly predicted protein "fold", even family where it belongs (which is great!), but this is far cry from "solving protein folding" problem.
  3. AF2 is not publicly available for an independent evaluation
  4. AF2 and assessment of AF2 were not published not only in WP:MEDRS sources, but in any peer reviewed sources.
  5. GDT measure used by CASP assessors is a poor (insensitive) measure of performance for high-precision modeling. Having GDT of 90 or 60 (e.g. [7]) does not mean that 90% or 60% of the structure was predicted with the same accuracy as provided by X-ray crystallography, for example.
My conclusion Hook ALT 3.1 is misinformation. Do not do it. My very best wishes (talk) 14:31, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
  • Following the comments above by My very best wishes and aiming to reach a wide consensus, I propose the following alternative hook :
ALT 3.2 ... that DeepMind's protein-folding AI AlphaFold 2 has made great progress towards a decades-old grand challenge of biology? (source: MIT Technology Review Nature)).

Alexcalamaro (talk) 08:05, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

Yes, I think that's OK, with one correction: if you need a ref, it should be this [8]. That MIT writer makes too many incorrect claims, such as AF2 used 170,000 PDB structures for training (they used less), etc. My very best wishes (talk) 21:19, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment I have changed the source of ALT3.1 to Nature, and added the hook text to the "Responses" section of the article (to meet Hooks criteria). We need more reviewers to validate the proposal. Alexcalamaro (talk) 06:31, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
Hey @Yoninah and Ktin: I think we have a consensus here with ALT3.2. I am not very familiar with these matters. What is the next step in the DYK process? Thank you. Alexcalamaro (talk) 21:40, 26 December 2020 (UTC)
Missed this one. @Yoninah: as an uninvolved editor, please can you help review this one? I know this has been waiting for a long time, but, worth wrapping this one imo. Appreciate your helping hand in the review. Ktin (talk) 22:56, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg OK, ALT3.2 looks good but there is a bit of run-on blue linking in the beginning of the hook. What words don't need to be linked? I also would like to know why the two images from a CASP presentation are licensed as fair use. It seems to me that OTRS permission should be obtained from the author. Alternately, can't someone draw up a similar graph that would be freely licensed? Yoninah (talk) 18:04, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 3[edit]

Torwali people

Created by Anupam (talk). Self-nominated at 21:05, 3 December 2020 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg The article is long enough and new enough. I assume good faith on the offline sources. The information for the hook is directly cited. However, the lead needs to be expanded per WP:LEAD. I'm also fixing the hook as ALT0a: ... that the Torwali people inhabited the valley of the Swat River even before the Buddhist era of the northwest Indian subcontinent? SL93 (talk) 19:54, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
    • The hook goes back to the following quote: "Torwals are said to be one of the groups indigenous to the region, inhabiting the area before the Buddhist era" [9]. Some caution needs to be exercised about claims of such deep antiquity. Even if it weren't for the fact that it places the Torwalis into an era probably two millennia before any historical records about the people, and likely well before any historical records at all, the claim would still need to be reliably sourced by the standards for this topic: WP:HISTRS. Hearsay reported in the notes of a travel journalist doesn't come close to that.
      The article's other sources are not offline, they're both very much online. I've managed to trace the first to JSTOR 29756645, though it has very little to say about the Torwalis and hasn't been much used in the article. The other, main, source is Zubair Torwali's 2015 article in an online-only journal, and it's available at academicjournals.org/journal/JLC/article-full-text/CBBA2D553114. Now, I haven't formatted that as a URL, because I wouldn't have been able to: academicjournals.org is on the external links blacklist, which you will get notified about any time you try to save an edit introducing a link to it (I don't know how that has escaped the notice of the article creator). The reason is that it's a suspected predatory journal. This needs to be sorted out – either the blacklisting wasn't correct in the first place (in which case the website will need to be unlisted), or alternative sources for the article will need to be found. Regardless, we can't promote to DYK content that's almost entirely based on a blacklisted source. – Uanfala (talk) 22:09, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
      • I’m glad that you mentioned that information about the sources, but I mentioned that they were offline sources because there was no such indication in the article and I didn’t expect such a long-time editor to not include actual links when they are available. SL93 (talk) 22:24, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
User:SL93, thank you for your comments. I was using offline versions of the references, not the ones that were linked above. I have found many other sources that discuss the Torwali people. If I remove the one in question, could this article still be promoted or has that ship sailed? I look forward to hearing from you soon. Thanks, AnupamTalk 01:08, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
Anupam For this to be approved, the hook source would need to be changed to a better one based on the concern raised by Uanfala as well as replacing the predatory journal sourcing with something reliable. SL93 (talk) 01:33, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
I see that the journal was replaced so that leaves one issue. I'm very hesistant to listen to the other issues raised by Uanfala because they admitted that they are not an expert on the topic. In response to any other issue besides the current reference, I would need an actual expert's opinion that agrees with the editor. SL93 (talk) 01:40, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
Dear User:SL93, thank you for your reply, as well as for having a look at the article again. If you are aware of another reviewer who could have a look at the article, or if you have suggestions on how I can improve it, I would be happy to work with you on this. With regards, AnupamTalk 02:54, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
The predatory journal has very much not been replaced (there are still over ten cites to it in the present version of the article). Also, I'm a bit puzzled by the reference to expertise. If such is required from an editor who points out basic sourcing problems with a text, then shouldn't the same also be asked of the editor who contributed that text? – Uanfala (talk) 05:32, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
OK, by now the article has been rewritten so it doesn't use the blacklisted journal any more, and the original hook has been abandoned. Therefore, the two concerns above have been addressed. There's still a dispute over the History section though, and that's currently being hashed out on the talk page. – Uanfala (talk) 02:15, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 7[edit]

Eluru outbreak

  • Comment: First DYK. Thanks in advance for reviewing!

Created by MSG17 (talk). Self-nominated at 00:33, 12 December 2020 (UTC).

  • The article is new enough, long enough and within policy. The hooks satisfy format. However, neither hook sounds like it will be interesting enough to a broad audience. Indeed, I can't - yet - see any single line in this whole article that will be interesting enough on its own i. e. as a hook, despite the general good quality. At best, I'd prefer the original hook can be modified to just "... that water chlorination measures taken to combat the COVID-19 pandemic in Andhra Pradesh may have caused a new illness?" However, the substance of the hook is dynamic - chlorination 'might' be the reason, and that information is susceptible to change. For now it's a Symbol possible vote.svg. Regards, Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI converse | fings wot i hav dun 02:48, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
  • Unfornuately, I don't see any other statements that would work for a hook right now. However, I can modify the first hook to less subject to change:
  • This way, whether or not this is confirmed as the cause or even if the cause is still not confirmed, this hook is applicable. MSG17 (talk) 03:24, 13 December 2020 (UTC)
Symbol possible vote.svg @MSG17 and Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI: Hi MSG17, welcome to DYK. Given that this is an article about an epidemic, it falls under the WP:MEDRS guideline, meaning that all statements about health or medical topics need to be cited to medical journal review articles or government health agencies. Popular media articles, even from otherwise reliable sources, are not acceptable for these topics. Unfortunately, none of the current sources are considered reliable medical sources.
In addition, the hooks about water chlorination are questionable, as water chlorination isn't clearly the same as "chlorine used for sanitation" mentioned in the source, nor does it seem to be the primary suspected cause. It's a good effort, but this article will need to be substantially rewritten in order to be within policy. I'm not sure if you have a scientific background, but if you're unsure how to find medical sources we can ping the WP:MED project to try to get someone to help out. John P. Sadowski (NIOSH) (talk) 08:10, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
I see, I didn't know about this. Thanks. I will look for better sources and start restructuring the article. MSG17 (talk) 00:13, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
@John P. Sadowski (NIOSH): Ok, so I did some looking on the NIH, JSTOR, Google Scholar and AIIMS (All India Institute of Medical Sciences) websites and didn't see any papers on the recent outbreak (which has apparently been confirmed to be due to contaminated water and food according to the popular media). Can you help me find or get in touch with WP:MED so we can see if there are any medical-grade sources? MSG17 (talk) 02:42, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
I made a post here: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Medicine#Help needed with Eluru outbreak. John P. Sadowski (NIOSH) (talk) 22:07, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
This is a difficult issue. The article is about a very recent outbreak of an unidentified disease, so is much less likely to have published scholarly papers available as sources. PubMed has nothing, and there is nothing available on https://www.aiims.edu/ which I would have expected to have some statement if any were made. I think that you're going to have to go ahead with the news sources, but take extreme care not to make any biomedical claims. Just in my own opinion, it should be acceptable to report the number of people affected and other statistics, and to explicitly quote expert opinions, as long as they are clearly attributed and avoid too much speculation. I strongly recommend against making any speculative medical claims in the hook. I'd suggest something neutral like:
  • ALT3: ... over 600 people were taken ill from a mystery disease during the Eluru outbreak in Andhra Pradesh?
As and when good medical sources become available, the article should be updated from them. --RexxS (talk) 15:26, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
  • I think that is a better hook now that the outbreak seems to have subsided and reports have came out stating a different cause (according only to popular media however). MSG17 (talk) 23:25, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
@MSG17: I think User:RexxS generally has a good approach, though I'm not sure if one can write an article about a disease outbreak without any biomedical claims at all. If a public health agency or official is quoted in a popular news articles, that's still not ideal. You'd have to use phrases like "according to X" or "it was reported that" quite a lot. Anything from non-public health officials should be omitted, or explicitly discussed as speculation if it seems to be notable for some other reason. I'll have another look at it once you've reworked it. John P. Sadowski (NIOSH) (talk) 04:30, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
  • Honestly, I don't think this will be studied for a while, if at all. I searched PMC and WHO and didn't find any results. Quite frankly, I am also tired of working on this page. I will withdraw this nomination. I have found another topic with a lot more research, however, that I am planning to write about and possibly submit here if there is enough info.MSG17 (talk) 01:55, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 10[edit]

Israel–Morocco normalization agreement

Created by Thepharoah17 (talk) and Feminist (talk). Nominated by Feminist (talk) at 18:01, 12 December 2020 (UTC).

  • The article does not support the hook statement that the recognition is "contrary to" the UN position. And ALT2 is not appropriately even-handed - the article reflects both support and the opposite by various parties. Neither of those are appropriate. 2604:2000:E010:1100:8813:945C:33AD:2B50 (talk) 17:11, 13 December 2020 (UTC)
  • The article reports that the UN says its position is "unchanged", with a message "to avoid any action that could further aggravate a tense situation", implying disapproval of the new US position. ALT2 is notable because Inhofe is generally known as close to Trump and his administration. A DYK hook does not have to be reflective of all of the article's viewpoints as a whole, as long as the hook, viewed in isolation, meets neutrality requirements. feminist (talk) free Hong Kong 04:14, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
  • As to the first hook - I looked at it again, and at the effort in the above statement to demonstrate that the hook reflects accurately what the article says, and still believe it does not.
As to ALT1 (I apologize-that is what I was referring to, not ALT2), it is not at all a neutral reflection of what the article states - though it would be fine if it were to say it were condemned by some parties and lauded by some parties. We should not be using DYK to give a mistaken impression of what the article says-that's contrary to our goals, and simply inappropriate.
I don't have a problem with the language of ALT2, which I see as the only acceptable hook-sorry for the confusion.
Another ALT that would be acceptable in my view is simply ALT 2A " ... that as part of the Israel–Morocco normalization agreement, the US agreed to recognize Morocco's claim to Western Sahara."
2604:2000:E010:1100:7462:CB4D:B27A:20DE (talk) 09:04, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
I agree that the normalization agreement has received both statements of support and opposition, but I don't think any country has specifically said anything positive about the US's recognition of Morocco's claim over Western Sahara? For what it's worth, I consider Al Jazeera to be a biased source on any issue relating to Israel, though this particular article is reliable for what it is used to support. feminist (talk) free Hong Kong 12:39, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

Symbol possible vote.svg I find the recognition of the Western Sahara claim to be hooky enough, perhaps adding a subsequent clause to the hooks dilutes the impact of this change. The hooks could use a link to Political status of Western Sahara. That said, the article is not in great shape. It's a poorly organised stub, and needs to be reworked and could use a bit more expansion. The source used for the Western Sahara recognition doesn't mention the topic. CMD (talk) 05:43, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

Proposed ALT3 above. Onceinawhile (talk) 15:22, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
@Chipmunkdavis: I have expanded the article a bit to provide some context and more details. Other editors are of course welcome to aid in its expansion. Regarding ALT3, I have slight concerns that non-Americans may not be sufficiently aware of what "bipartisan" means in the context of American politics. feminist (talk) 09:17, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
Feminist, we could link Bipartisanship? Onceinawhile (talk) 09:32, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
The new structure is an improvement, but the article is still mixing up the Reuters sources, and thus mixing up definite results of the agreement such as the recognition and potentially unrelated effects such as the drone sails. I'm also surprised it doesn't mention the commitment for a US embassy in the Western Sahara, which is a concrete statement of recognition. For the hook, I continue to suggest leaving reactions and other opinions to the article rather than the hook. CMD (talk) 13:31, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
I agree w CMD's observation that "I find the recognition of the Western Sahara claim to be hooky enough, perhaps adding a subsequent clause to the hooks dilutes the impact of this change."2604:2000:E010:1100:6014:F444:B44D:4B1D (talk) 07:14, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
Hmm. Average readers will not understand the huge significance of this, with the Trump administration having unilaterally broken ranks with a half-century-old global consensus. Onceinawhile (talk) 09:07, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
The only reason this is making the news at all is because of Trump's giveaway recognition, approved of by no-one so far. The UN will discuss it on Monday, why not wait for input from that.https://www.securitycouncilreport.org/whatsinblue/2020/12/western-sahara-consultations-7.phpSelfstudier (talk) 10:18, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

So after the meeting (closed door) only new thing is South African ambassador comments to the press after:- "decisions contrary to multilateral collective decisions must be discouraged and unequivocally disregarded. We believe that any recognition of Western Sahara as part of Morocco is tantamount to recognizing illegality as such recognition is incompatible with international law," he said.https://www.reuters.com/article/us-israel-usa-morocco-un/u-n-security-council-talks-western-sahara-after-trump-policy-switch-idUSKBN28W01B Selfstudier (talk) 10:49, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-morocco-to-israel-normalization-pact-not-part-of-trump-brokered-abraham-accords-1.9392662 and now there is this.!.Selfstudier (talk) 15:05, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
Proposed ALT4 above. I think it most neutral --Shrike (talk) 08:45, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
IMHO ALT4 is best, in part because it is most neutral, but also because it is most hooky. 2603:7000:2143:8500:949A:D11A:56E8:1AB8 (talk) 08:42, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
Unfortunately it is the least notable part of the topic. Per our article Israel–Morocco relations, this event has changed little about the relations between Morocco and Israel. But the proposed change of status of Western Sahara is potentially seismic for global international relations. Onceinawhile (talk) 08:35, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
First, I wouldn't point to a wp article as a source. Second, this article suggests that the Trump position may be of no consequence, if it is at odds with the UN position--which may perhaps be something less than "potentially seismic" impact. Third, as has been pointed out, Biden can in a month switch the US position on the Western Sahara .. which isn't really on the tip of everyone's tongue ... sort of what our former Libertarian candidate might call the "Aleppo" of the moment. I think its pretty clear that the Israel-Morocco actual agreement is of greater moment. But others can judge. 2603:7000:2143:8500:875:774:88D6:7C29 (talk) 09:17, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
I can't agree that the normalization, which Morocco itself denies is a normalization, is of any great consequence, nothing has really changed that much except that most commentators agree that Morocco got a sweetie from Trump that it should not have got. Morocco has gone out of its way to say that the deal is a package so what happens to the "normalization" if the package gets changed? The only notable aspect of this "deal" other than the sweetie is that it is subject to a full court press from the Trump admin looking for a cheap policy win, claiming it is a part of the Abraham Accords (it isn't) that it's a peace agreement (it isn't), that embassies will be exchanged (they won't), Kushner visit and so on. And while the impact at the UN may not be "seismic" this is not the first time that the US (via Trump) has in effect contradicted its own signature at the UN and that will have consequences.Selfstudier (talk) 11:05, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
Sounds like subjective OR (its a "sweetie," "Trump admin looking for a cheap policy win," "ot isn't" part of the Abraham Accords, "Kushner visit," "Trump .. has contradicted .. own signature," "will have consequences"). This editor's subjective view isn't the sort of thing we should base these decisions on. This is an article about the Agreement. The hook should relate to the Agreement. And the hook asserting "bipartisan domestic and international opposition" ignores the domestic (two of the three senators speaking-and not sure what "bipartisan" has to do with this anyway) and international (many countries) support - also seems as subjective as the prior editor's comments.2603:7000:2143:8500:481B:DDBA:F6D9:9AB9 (talk) 09:57, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
OR is allowed on talk pages and not allowed in the article, as you have been doing. You may not like my wording but it reflects the sources I have provided. ALT 3 remains the best hook. And your unsigned ALT 5 is "about the agreement", how, exactly? Selfstudier (talk) 11:33, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
Good Hook I support either 4 or 5 --Shrike (talk) 12:07, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
This hook is incorrect, as "The decision to add Jewish history and culture to lessons was discreetly launched before the diplomatic deal was announced."[12] I like the idea - it is certainly notable (and hard to believe) that the country of origin of the second-largest Jewish ethnic group in Israel had not previously taught any Jewish history - but it seems strange to have a hook about a topic that is not directly linked to the article. Onceinawhile (talk) 15:06, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

Another suggestion above.[13] Onceinawhile (talk) 15:06, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 12[edit]

Jaffna Stallions in 2020

Created by Empire AS (talk). Self-nominated at 09:13, 17 December 2020 (UTC).

  • @Empire AS: I am not going to spend my time editing this as I did Galle Gladiators in 2020, but please look at my edits on that article to clarify the numbers you're using in the Season Summary here. Please link cricket terminology on the first mention, and avoid slang language, as in the very first sentence of the Season Summary. Thanks. Yoninah (talk) 21:35, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
  • OK, it looks like another editor has been editing this. I did additional copyediting and I think the text looks good now. I would like to look at the other cricket articles that you've nominated and then make my suggestion for a multi-hook here. Yoninah (talk) 22:33, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Yoninah, thank you. I've been waiting for a long time. Thanks Face-smile.svg Empire AS Talk! 06:23, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg Full review: New enough, long enough, neutrally written, well referenced, no close paraphrasing seen. No QPQ needed for nominator with less than 5 DYK credits. Awaiting changes to the charts per discussion at Talk:Galle Gladiators in 2020#Article issues. Then this will be incorporated into the multi-article hook suggestion. Yoninah (talk) 11:19, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

Yoninah, the hook looks fine and alright to me. Thank you. Empire AS Talk! 07:21, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

It should be noted that, as the currently-proposed hook has five bolded links (meaning you will hit 5 DYK credits with this one hook), the next time you nominate an article for DYK, you will be required to perform a QPQ. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 08:52, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
  • @Narutolovehinata5: four of the articles were nominated by one editor, one by another. They're still working out the charts on all 5 articles, but when that's finished, I'll incorporate all the articles onto this template and do a full and detailed review. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 10:52, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

Dambulla Viiking in 2020

Created by DT Truth (talk). Nominated by Empire AS (talk) at 08:37, 16 December 2020 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg I edited the article and added a number of tags where information is not clear. I removed the Game 4 write-up, which seems to be about two different teams other than the Viiking. It's not clear which team the players belong to in Game 5. Yoninah (talk) 12:45, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
  • I think I've corrected it. Thank you. Empire AS Talk! 13:07, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
  • @Empire AS: thank you. But what about Game 4? And that word "However" in Game 5 is throwing me off; could you identify which teams the players in the previous sentence play for? Yoninah (talk) 13:26, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

Colombo Kings in 2020

Created by Fade258 (talk). Nominated by Empire AS (talk) at 08:22, 16 December 2020 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg New enough, long enough, neutrally written, well referenced, no close paraphrasing seen. However, several references are bare URLs, per Rule D3. I gave the article a copyedit and added tags where I did not understand what it was talking about: balls, runs, wickets? I also added a question in a hidden note. No QPQ needed for nominator with less than 5 DYK credits.
  • I will address the hook when all the articles are ready for a multi-article hook suggestion. Yoninah (talk) 14:13, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

Galle Gladiators in 2020

Created by Tahaaleem (talk) Self-nominated at 20:08, 16 December 2020 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg The article has numerous cleanup tags on it. I have also struck ALT0 because we do not print unlinked names on the main page. Yoninah (talk) 20:07, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
  • Yoninah, thank you for reviewing, however I will ameliorate the article as soon as possible. Thank you. Tahaaleem Talk 20:27, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
  • Yoninah, I've added the 2nd hook. What do you think about it? Thank you. Empire AS Talk! 09:25, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
Yoninah, the tags have been removed. So please can you view it again. Thank you. Tahaaleem Talk 09:40, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg OK. I read through the article and frankly, I understood nothing. I left tags at every place where you're talking about a number and not defining what that number means—balls? wickets? runs? Or what? It would help when you're writing these articles to link unfamiliar terms on their first mention, such as "batting", "bowling", "run rate", and "target". I also deleted the Squad and Administration sections, which belong in the 2020 season template at the bottom.
  • Regarding the hooks, ALT1 is practically a news report, not a hook. Shorter is always better. In ALT2, "LPL" is going to have to be spelled out, which is going to send the character count over the 200-character limit. As someone who knows nothing about cricket, this hook also doesn't make sense to me so I wouldn't want to click on it. In ALT3, same problem: if you don't know what a fifer is, the hook holds no interest. Try to write something that will appeal to an international, non-cricket audience. Yoninah (talk) 21:19, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
Yoninah, thank you for reviewing it again, however, I will clarify all the salient parts as soon as possible. Thank you. Tahaaleem Talk 21:24, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg The article reads very well now. It is new enough, long enough, neutrally written, well referenced, no close paraphrasing seen. No QPQ needed for nominator with less than 5 DYK credits. Putting on temporary hold pending suggestion of a multi-article hook with other LPL cricket nominations. Yoninah (talk) 13:58, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg Article now has a merge tag. Yoninah (talk) 10:19, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

Kandy Tuskers in 2020

Created by Fade258 (talk). Nominated by CreativeNorth (talk) at 12:45, 12 December 2020 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg The source reflects the hook, and the article appears appropriate, but the hook doesn't make sense to an average reader. Suggest something like: that the Sri Lankan Lanka Premier League cricket team the Kandy Tuskers is owned by Bollywood actor Sohail Khan? Sadads (talk) 13:41, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
  • @Sadads: I've took your advice with ALT2, does it look any better. Thanks. CreativeNorth (talk) 18:49, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol confirmed.svg That looks right, lets go with ALT2, Sadads (talk) 21:09, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg Sorry, but none of the hooks are accurate because they make you think you're clicking on Kandy Tuskers, not an article about their 2020 season. Please write a different hook that clues the reader to the topic. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 19:57, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
  • @Yoninah: Sorry if I'm being annoying. But I've tried to make ALT3 less wordy and also added an ALT4. Thanks. CreativeNorth (talk) 17:17, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
  • @CreativeNorth: as I said above, these new hooks also make it seem like you're clicking on the team article, not the article about the 2020 season. I took a look at the article and gave it a complete copyedit. Please check to see that I understood what you were talking about (I know nothing about cricket) and then I will suggest an alt. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 18:05, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
  • @Yoninah: Thanks for the copyedit, in your opinion what would you suggest for a hook then. Thanks CreativeNorth (talk) 18:30, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
  • Yoninah, I've created 3 new ALTs (6, 7 and 8). What have you to say about them? Moreover, the most runs wasn't made by Dambulla's cricketer but by Galle' batsman. Thank you. Empire AS Talk! 10:24, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
  • @Empire AS: Thanks for this, I've edited the hooks a bit to make them more hooky. @Yoninah: What do you think?
  • @CreativeNorth:@Empire AS: the new hooks are better. But what is a total? What is a target? You're writing for an international audience who may not know what you're referring to.
  • Regarding my request for sourcing on the Squads and Administrative charts, you'll see I removed them from the article because you have the squad members at least in the template below. Perhaps add the administrative members there and you won't need sourcing. Yoninah (talk) 18:18, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

I went over the article again in advance of suggesting a multi-article hook and it looks all right. The number of charts in this and the other articles, though, seems to violate WP:CITEKILL. Yoninah (talk) 14:22, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

@Yoninah: Thanks for going over this again. As for the article violating WP:CITEKILL, does this need to be fixed? If so then how can this be fixed. Thanks for the feedback. CreativeNorth (talk) 17:06, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
@CreativeNorth: See discussion at Talk:Galle Gladiators in 2020#Article issues. Yoninah (talk) 17:37, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 13[edit]

Articles created/expanded on December 15[edit]

Year 24 Group

  • ... that prior to the arrival of the Year 24 Group, most girls' comics in Japan were written by men? Source: "La bande dessinée japonaise pour filles et pour femmes"
    • ALT1:... that Japanese girls' comics saw a period of innovation and development in the 1970s as a result of the influence of the Year 24 Group? Source: "Shojo Manga! Girls' Comics! A Mirror of Girls' Dreams
    • ALT2:... that Japanese girls' comics in the 1970s expanded to incorporate adventure fiction, horror, fantasy, and same-sex romance as a result of the influence of the Year 24 Group? Source: "Shojo Manga! Girls' Comics! A Mirror of Girls' Dreams
    • ALT3:... that the impact of the Year 24 Group has been alternately compared to the discovery of interiority in early Meiji fiction and the rise of New Wave cinema? Source: "The Revolution in 1970s Shōjo Manga"

5x expanded by Morgan695 (talk). Self-nominated at 04:21, 15 December 2020 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on December 17[edit]

Ümit Şamiloğlu

  • ... that Turkish artistic gymnast Ümit Şamiloğlu is the creator of a special grip in the horizontal bar event named after him? Source: "'The Şamiloğlu' hareketinin çıkış noktası şöyle; barfikste dünyanın bilinen bir sporcusuyum.", "Bir önceki başarısı, adına tescillenen ‘The Samiloglu’ hareketiydi." (in Turkish) [32]

Created by CeeGee (talk). Self-nominated at 11:09, 22 December 2020 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg New enough, long enough. However, I'm trying to read this and am having trouble understanding it. These sentences are run-on and hard to follow: He met Hasan Onmuş of Dokuz Eylul University at Manisa (1982–1992) when his father was appointed from Ağrı to Manisa. Onmuş decided to send Şamiloğlu following a physical test to Bolu, the center of gymnastics in Turkey under coaching of world's best Soviet trainers, who came following the Dissolution of the Soviet Union. This one doesn't make sense: Together with his coach, Şamiloğlu developed from a simple grip a repeatable and not so difficult grip preferable by high-level gymnasts. Usually I can edit your work, but I'm having trouble understanding it. Maybe you should apply to WP:GOCE?
  • It's also unclear what kind of a grip you're talking about. In the lead you link it to Grip (gymnastics), but in the body it's linked to Horizontal bar#Grips. The way you describe it, it sounds like it's something he carries with him, not just the way he holds his hands. This needs more explanation to make it clearer to the reader.
  • I added tag to unclear words or statements that need citations.
  • QPQ done. Yoninah (talk) 22:47, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Thank you very much for your review. Before applying to copyeditors guild, I copyedited the parts you mentioned as hard to understand, in error and lacking citation. Maybe, I could make it easier to understand. Can you re-check, please. CeeGee 12:18, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
  • @CeeGee: thank you; now I understood the text better and gave it a thorough copyedit. Please review. There are still some tags in the Private life section to take care of, including the cite for his birthdate. Yoninah (talk) 17:09, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
  • @Yoninah: Thank you so much indeed for your time. I added missing refs and did some minor copyediting. I hope I did not forget anything. CeeGee 11:05, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 18[edit]

2021 Chadian presidential election

Created by JPxG (talk). Self-nominated at 00:19, 18 December 2020 (UTC).

  • Symbol confirmed.svg New enough and long enough (though I wish there could at least be a paragraph split in Background). QPQ present. Neutral point of view is maintained IMO, and the article is well sourced and hook fact appears in article with the provided source (though it does not quite make the direct connection to the next election). Good to go; this should be able to run enough in advance of election day to not pose any timing issues. Sammi Brie (she/her • tc) 04:42, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg Returned to prep for further discussion after report on the ERRORS page. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:53, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
@Cwmhiraeth: Hi! I've been busy as hell the last few days but I am back now. Let's take a look at the error report... yeah, okay, the current hook is not put together very well. I will put a fixed version up as ALT1. Let me know how this one looks. jp×g 16:53, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
@JPxG: For a hook to be acceptable for DYK, the hook facts must be actually included in the article, and be backed up by an inline citation at the end of the sentence. In this instance, I do not see all the hook facts for ALT1 in the article, although they may be present in the sources you provide. Looking at the article as it is now, you could have ALT2 or ALT3, but not ALT1. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 20:29, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
@Cwmhiraeth: Both sources are from the article (and support similar sentences to the one above, although the one above does not appear there in its entirety). If that's an issue, I am fine with taking ALT2 or ALT3. jp×g 20:52, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
@Sammi Brie: Please could you check the hooks ALT1, ALT2 and ALT3? Thanks. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 21:02, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
@Cwmhiraeth: ALT1 feels a bit tenuously tied together. ALT2 checks out and is in article. ALT3 checks out and is in article. Sammi Brie (she/her • tc) 21:29, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
ALT3 is also above the 200 character limit, meaning that either it needs to be shortened, or the idea is dropped and ALT2 becomes the chosen hook. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 08:57, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 19[edit]

Leslie Landau

  • Reviewed: Moral blindness
  • Comment: The article is new and was hung up being relisted at AfD for a while. It was expanded significantly during that time.

Created by Adin-Atherton (talk). Nominated by Andrew Davidson (talk) at 10:35, 3 January 2021 (UTC).

{{DYKsubpage |monthyear=December 2020 |passed= |2=


  • ... that the artificial intelligence program GPT-2 can summarize, respond to, generate, and even translate human-level writing, despite being trained to do nothing more than predict the next word in a sequence? Source: OpenAI paper, ref in article
    • ALT1: ... that ...

5x expanded by JPxG (talk). Self-nominated at 17:25, 26 December 2020 (UTC).

Going to be a harsh review because I think it's important we get this topic right.

Policy compliance:

  • Adequate sourcing: Red XN - Under "Architecture", the last paragraph is lacking citations, as is the last sentence of the first paragraph.
  • Neutral: Red XN - I have some concerns. Claims that GPT-2 "often" passes the Turing test (implied with an Easter egg link) is not implausible, but it's such a high-impact claim that I think it needs secondary sources to show that this is accepted within the field. Throughout the article I do have concerns that the prose is parrotting primary claims a little bit without the appropriate prose attribution of viewpoint, or sounding a bit too much like a pitch to investors ("While its objective is simple", "GPT-2 became capable of performing well"). A copyediting run with this in mind should solve it—most claims could be toned down or attributed, the alternative being more academic secondary sources.
  • Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing: Green tickY
  • Other problems: Red XN - "Scale-up" and "tokenization" are dab links. When it comes to the lead image, can you explain to me why it's freely licensed? Screenshots are not in general, of course, and while lots of OpenAI content might be open-source, all I see on this specific website is a "© 2020 InferKit".
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol question.svg Hook is interesting and its claims are uncontroversial enough for the primary source to be fine. It would be good if the article could mention the stages of source code release—am I right that all the code is now released? Or just some? But of course, the researchers initially had concerns. Possibly the topic is not quite D7 "complete" without some description of the source code releases. — Bilorv (talk) 23:02, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

I appreciate the brutality. Truth be told, I was planning to write an article at least twice this size (if not more); the technical background took me longer than I anticipated, and I ended up getting buttonholed by IRL goings-on halfway through. There is definitely a lot of stuff that ought to be in there, and isn't; I was contemplating just doing it when I got back home, but I was running out of time to submit a DYK! OpenAI's claims are, indeed, wild and outrageous, but there are a lot of secondary sources to back them up (and, for a while at least, it was possible to go try it out yourself on a few websites and get your mind blown in real time). I don't know when I will have time to go through and put those sources in, but I can try to carve out some time in the next couple days. As for the image, well, TalkToTransformer is currently part of some gee-whiz startup, but prior to that I believe it had different licensing information (will try to find it for you). Would be an interesting quandary to figure out whether GPT-2 holds copyright to its own works, huh? Anyway, I have to do some stuff tonight but I will try to get started on all this crap tomorrow. And thanks for the review! jp×g 00:37, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
No worries, often getting a foothold can be the hardest part and I'll give you a few days, know it's a busy time of year for many. — Bilorv (talk) 14:47, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
@JPxG: at the one week mark, I see you've not really been active since but since the problems could take a while to fix, I think I'll have to fail this in a few days unless you can find a time in your schedule to commit to resolving the above. Either way I hope the comments are useful for the article's future progress. — Bilorv (talk) 01:34, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
Have got some free time today, will finish it off. jp×g 15:28, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
@JPxG: I'll give you 24 hours but after that I think I'll have to fail this, sorry. — Bilorv (talk) 23:47, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
Okay, adding the relevant sections now. jp×g 23:48, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
Symbol delete vote.svg Unfortunately, I'm going to have to fail this. It's been an additional 24 hours and improvements have been made, but I believe there are still neutrality issues that are a barrier to showing this on the main page. I hope the feedback is useful and would look forward to future development of the topic. — Bilorv (talk) 23:37, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
@Bilorv: I've added some more citations to the claims you mentioned above (like its output being plausibly interpreted as human, which most of the sources support, and which I've clarified in the lede suffers on longer passages); I'm not sure what action can be taken to give it more neutrality. In your initial review you mentioned phrases like "its objective is simple" sounding like an investor pitch. The reason for this specific phrasing is because, well, its objective was simple: unlike previous ML models measured on the same benchmarks (which often involved extensive task-specific fine-tuning), GPT-2 was not reinforced on its performance on any task other than text prediction. That is to say, during its training, it was not assessed on any metrics for machine translation or summarization; similarly, "perform well" is based on things like its performance on the WMT-14 French-English test set on which it achieved 11.5 BLEU (comparable or superior to other unsupervised translation models, but unlike them, it contained only 10MB of untranslated French in its training corpus). jp×g 02:05, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
We've still got the Easter egg link asserting that the model "sometimes" passes the Turing test, which would need explanation in prose in the body with attribution of this view. I didn't hear back on that licensing point. At the time I wrote the above, there were still uncited parts and none of this WMT-14 evidence in prose (which is absolutely a great improvement). I'm not happy to extend this review indefinitely, after setting a hard time limit that was not met after quite some leeway. I will reluctantly call for a new review if you insist on this. — Bilorv (talk) 16:41, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

Ma Xiang

  • ... that Chinese bandit Ma Xiang raised a thousands-strong rebel army in just one or two days, conquered three commanderies, and declared himself emperor, only to be killed by a much weaker opponent? (Source: Farmer, J. Michael (2005). "The Three Chaste Ones of Ba: Local Perspectives on the Yellow Turban Rebellion on the Chengdu Plain". Journal of the American Oriental Society. 125 (2), p. 193-194)

Created by Applodion (talk). Self-nominated at 22:28, 24 December 2020 (UTC).

Alexe Gaudreault

  • ... that in 2015 Alexe Gaudreault became the first independent artist to top the BDS charts in 15 years?
    Source 1: [33]
    English translation: "The first position for so long is quite an achievement! Alexe Gaudreault is the first independent artist to have reached # 1 of the top 100 BDS, the charts of French-speaking radio stations, over the past 15 years."
    Original French: "La première position pendant si longtemps, c’est tout un exploit! Alexe Gaudreault est la première artiste indépendante à avoir atteint le #1 du top 100 BDS, le palmarès des radios francophones, au cours des 15 dernières années."
    Source 2: [34]
    English Translation: "This single ended up at number 1 on the list of the 100 best French-speaking BDS songs ... for seven consecutive weeks! This is a first in 15 years for an independent artist."
    Original French: "Cet extrait s'est retrouvé au numéro 1 du palmarès des 100 meilleures chansons francophones BDS... pendant sept semaines consécutives! C'est une première en 15 ans pour une artiste indépendante."

  • Reviewed: Hilda Annetta Walker
  • Comment: I do not know French, and all the sources I found were in French. I used my browser's translate function, but if anyone who knows French could review, that would be great! Also, not sure if the status should be "new" or "BLP expanded"; it was a newly-created article with no sources that I found and expanded with sources.

Created/expanded by EdGl (talk). Self-nominated at 22:24, 24 December 2020 (UTC).

Brian Crabtree

  • ... that Kendo Nagasaki once refused to wrestle Big Daddy Shirley Crabtree with his brother Brian Crabtree refereeing? Source: New Society : The Social Science Weekly. Vol. 41-42. 1977. p. 628. ISSN 0028-6729

Created by Copper1993 (talk) and The C of E (talk). Nominated by The C of E (talk) at 09:04, 23 December 2020 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg There is an earwig issue, and I'm not thrilled with the hook. --evrik (talk) 02:55, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

Made in Canada

  • ... that the certification mark Product of Canada may be used for a good if at least 98% of all direct costs to create it are incurred in Canada? Source: "The Competition Bureau requires that at least 98 per cent of a good’s total direct costs of production or manufacturing are incurred in Canada before that good can be legally advertised as a "Product of Canada."" (Made in Canada or Product of Canada? There's a difference)

Moved to mainspace by Mindmatrix (talk). Self-nominated at 22:55, 19 December 2020 (UTC).

  • Comment: please note that there was a previous DYK about Made in Canada, but it was about the television series (Made in Canada (TV series), not the product labelling certification mark. See also Wikipedia talk:Did you know#Previous DYK article to be moved Mindmatrix 22:58, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment: there is a request to move this article to a different name. Results of the DYK review should be suspended until that discussion resolves. Mindmatrix 22:45, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
    • Comment: I did some expansion of the article, so it might be a good idea to hold a full review for a bit. I think the only major missing content is how "Made in Canada" is received internationally. Everything else seems sourced and just needs a bit of layout and tidying. – Reidgreg (talk) 19:18, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
  • ALT2 ... that journalist Frédéric Choinière lived for a year on Made in Canada goods? Source: The Globe and Mail: "French-Canadian journalist and TV host Frédéric Choinière ... decided to embark on a challenge of living for one year exclusively on Canadian goods ... As his made-in-Canada experiment winds down, Choinière says what he's learned over the year is that incorporating Canadian-made goods into his lifestyle was easier than he thought it would be"
  • ALT3 ... that journalist Frédéric Choinière lived for a year using only goods Made in Canada ? Source: The Globe and Mail: "French-Canadian journalist and TV host Frédéric Choinière ... decided to embark on a challenge of living for one year exclusively on Canadian goods ... As his made-in-Canada experiment winds down, Choinière says what he's learned over the year is that incorporating Canadian-made goods into his lifestyle was easier than he thought it would be" - same as ALT2 but grammatical. Johnbod (talk) 18:09, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Note: the requested move discussion has been closed. Mindmatrix 19:23, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

Allochronic speciation

  • ... that the timing of reproduction (such as breeding season in animals or the timing of flowering in plants) can cause the formation of a new species in a process known as allochronic speciation? Coyne & Orr (2004)
    • ALT1: ... that allochronic speciation has occurred in periodical cicada populations that only emerge every 221 years? Source: Taylor & Friesen (2017)
    • ALT2: ... that the timing of flowering or breeding seasons in organisms can cause the formation of new species in a process known as allochronic speciation? Coyne & Orr (2004)

Created by Andrew Z. Colvin (talk). Self-nominated at 20:36, 19 December 2020 (UTC).

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol confirmed.svg I think the one about cicadas and 221-year cycles is much more interesting, but either could be fine. jp×g 05:12, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

Excellent! Looks good to me. jp×g 18:22, 26 December 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg Returned from prep per discussion at WT:DYK#Allochronic speciation. The ALT1 is incorrectly phrased and the ALT0 reads like a textbook entry. Please suggest a different hook. Yoninah (talk) 00:28, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
We didn't have a page on allochronic speciation?
CMD (talk) 07:09, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
The April one would be pretty funny.
Hmm so I just wanted to say that while all the new hooks sound good, I would personally vote for the April Fool's version. That one is so witty! --LordPeterII (talk) 00:08, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 20[edit]

Conopea galeata

  • ... that although the soft coral Leptogorgia virgulata exudes protective substances to prevent other organisms growing on it, the barnacle Conopea galeata overcomes these defences?

Created by Cwmhiraeth (talk). Self-nominated at 10:44, 24 December 2020 (UTC).

  • Prose size (text only): 1795 characters (290 words) "readable prose size"
  • Article created by Cwmhiraeth on December 20, 2020
  • Assuming article is at 5x now, expansion began 8 edits ago on December 20, 2020
Hook and sourcing:
  • fewer than 200 characters
  • interesting (see concerns)
  • sourced
  • QPQ done
  • Interesting: CMIIW, Hook describes a symbiosis process between Leptogorgia virgulata and Conopea galeata. These kinds of symbiosis (an organism that bypasses another organism's defence mechanism) is common in real life, such as cats that could jump over fences built by humans to kept other organisms away and humans that eat chili because chili is spicy, although the chili's spiciness is intended as a defence mechanism. Please explain to me how this specific symbiosis would be interesting to readers. Thank you and merry Christmas. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael (marhata) 15:16, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
Overall:Symbol question.svg Regards, Jeromi Mikhael (marhata) 15:16, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
I am sorry that you are uninterested in what I consider a fascinating topic. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 20:15, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
I'm interested in this topic. The problem is could you assure that the reader would also perceive this as interesting as we do? Regards, Jeromi Mikhael (marhata) 02:38, 26 December 2020 (UTC)
I'm known to suggest some overly sensational hooks, so they might need to be dulled down a bit. However, I feel like they are not distorting the facts:
@Cwmhiraeth & Jeromi Mikhael: Would these sound acceptable to you? It's basically the same info as in the original hook, just worded a lot simpler and more bling, less science (please note that I do actually like science). --LordPeterII (talk) 18:32, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
@LordPeterII: Thank you. I would be happy with ALT2 but not ALT1. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 19:32, 6 January 2021 (UTC)

2021 Moroccan general election

5x expanded by JPxG (talk). Self-nominated at 07:14, 20 December 2020 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg @JPxG: New enough and long enough expansion. QPQ present. No textual issues. However, given that I approved a similar hook for 2021 Chadian presidential election, can we find another? (Potentially in characterizations of the reversal of democratic reforms due to COVID) Sammi Brie (she/her • tc) 06:32, 26 December 2020 (UTC)
  • Adding an ALT1. jp×g 19:21, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
  • @JPxG: Looks good, though I'd suggest one very minor wording tweak (to remove redundant 2021 if you're okay with it and link to the Morocco-specific pandemic article: Sammi Brie (she/her • tc) 23:30, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
ALT1a:... that, despite rumors of potential delays due to the COVID-19 pandemic, the 2021 Moroccan general election has been confirmed to be taking place in September?
That looks great to me. jp×g 00:53, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
@Sammi Brie: On second thought, since the hook for 2021 Chadian presidential election has been changed, would it be possible to use the main hook for this one? I am still fine with ALT1a if not. jp×g 06:48, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
@JPxG: That'd also be permissible too. Sammi Brie (she/her • tc) 08:00, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 21[edit]

Gotthilf Fischer

Gotthilf Fischer in 2006
Gotthilf Fischer in 2006
  • Reviewed: to come

Created by Jmanlucas (talk) and Gerda Arendt (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 20:48, 28 December 2020 (UTC).

Policy compliance:

Hook eligibility:

  • Cited: Green tickY
  • Interesting: Green tickY
  • Other problems: Red XN - ?

QPQ: Red XN - ?
Overall: Symbol question.svg This is an interesting article - thank you for this - but there is a little work to do. (1) The first paragraph of the Life section needs a citation at the end. (2) The hook needs to be repeated clearly in the article's main text, alongside its citation. So please add "1500" near (or instead of) the phrase, "large size"? (3) Fischer-Chöre is an entity, not a person, so in the hook you need "which", not "who". (4) The QPQ is pending. These matters should be easily resolved, and I look forward to this nomination being resolved. Storye book (talk) 15:48, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for the review! Please not that I didn't write the article, Jmanlucas did, and I just noticed yesterday, and had to expand and nominate in a bit of a rush to not miss the deadline. I found a great ref which I will eventually use. I'll ping you, but have plans for the next days. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:36, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
  • Thank you for the prompr reply Gerda - I hope you had a great Christmas. No hurry; enjoy the New Year celebrations. Storye book (talk) 16:48, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
    We celebrate Christmas to 6 January, more or less. If you like, there two "cards" on my talk, - look for "my card". How are you? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:52, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
  • Great cards on your talk - thanks for the prompt. Christmas is very quiet indeed, here. My area is in tier 2, which is a mild lockdown, but the government may ramp it up to tier 5, which they haven't quite invented yet. It is all amusing (British humour laughs at everything anomalous) and unpredictable, so most of us just do our best to err on the side of carefulness. At least British Wikipedians have extra time to contribute. Storye book (talk) 17:03, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

David Williamson (minister)

  • ... that alongside marrying seven times, David Williamson is said to have been the first clergyman in Scotland to own a watch? Source: "His was not a patriarchal age, hence it is somewhat startling to learn that he was married no fewer than seven times. [...] It is recorded of him that he was the first clergyman in Scotland who carried a watch." (Lorimer, George (1915). 'The Early Days of St Cuthbert's Church, Edinburgh'. William Blackwood & Sons. pp. 48-49.)
    • ALT1:... that David Williamson is said to have been the first clergyman in Scotland to own a watch? Source: "It is recorded of him that he was the first clergyman in Scotland who carried a watch." (Lorimer, George (1915). 'The Early Days of St Cuthbert's Church, Edinburgh'. William Blackwood & Sons. p. 49.)

Created by CPClegg (talk). Self-nominated at 21:07, 21 December 2020 (UTC).

  • Please bold & link the article above! New, long & neutral enuf. The watch hook sort of checks out (AGF on source) but the note casts doubt on it - no one at the time seems actually to have said this. There are plenty of alternatives - transvestite episode in bed with future daughter in law.... and others. Earwig finds nothing. Johnbod (talk) 08:20, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Duo Yun Xuan

Duo Yun Xuan located in Nanjing East Road in Shanghai
Duo Yun Xuan located in Nanjing East Road in Shanghai

Created by Jujiang (talk). Self-nominated at 16:18, 21 December 2020 (UTC).

  • Symbol delete vote.svg This article was created on November 10. To qualify as a new article per DYK rules, it should have been nominated within 7 days of creation. As it is the nomination was made over 6 weeks later, so we can't accept it at this time. If the article is brought to GA status, it could be nominated again—within 7 days of receiving the GA. Best, Yoninah (talk) 22:06, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg You are right; I misread the history. Here is a full review:
  • New enough, long enough, neutrally written, well referenced. As all sources are foreign-language, unable to check for close paraphrasing. However, I am unsure of the grammar in several places. I added the first sentence calling it an art institution, but maybe a better description would be an art auction house? This would replace auction company elsewhere in the article. Footnote 1 is a dead link. Under "Contribution and influence", what does established on the basis of mean? Was it modeled after Duo Yun Xuan? Please add an inline cite to each of these sentences:
  • In 1993, Duo Yun Xuan held its first art auction, which was also the first art auction in Mainland China.
  • In 2006, Duo Yun Xuan was recognized as the first batch of "Chinese Time-honored" enterprises by the Ministry of Commerce.
  • In 2006, the woodblock watermarking technique inherited by Duo Yun Xuan was listed as Shanghai Intangible Cultural Heritage.
  • What is a national demonstration base? Should this be in quotes?
  • The hook is okay; foreign-language hook ref AGF and cited inline. It does seem a little wordy; why do we have to know it was "identified"? Why can't we just say:
  • ALT1a ... that Duo Yun Xuan is the first art company including auction functions established on the Chinese mainland? Source: The Ministry of Commerce of the People's Republic of China
  • The image is freely licensed. It is pretty, but it doesn't do anything for the hook; it looks like the heart of the entertainment district or something.
  • No QPQ needed for nominator with less than 5 DYK credits. Yoninah (talk) 19:50, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
 Done Thank you @Mandarax and Yoninah:The question has been changed to ALT1a. Duo Yun Xuan is really located in the famous entertainment center of Nanjing East Road in Shanghai. I made some improvements to the article. Thanks. Best. --Jujiang (talk) 04:02, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
  • Thank you. But I have no idea what an art institution with auction function is. The article is still calling it the first batch; how is an auction house a batch? Perhaps you can find translation help at WikiProject China or WP:GOCE. BTW we refer to the alts as "hooks", not "questions". Yoninah (talk) 12:07, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
 Done Thank you. --Jujiang (talk) 14:05, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
  • @Jujiang: Sorry, but you're calling it an art company (whatever that is) in one place and an art institution with auction function in other places. It would be helpful to know what the Ministry of Commerce is calling it on its website. It seems like you are not completely familiar with English grammar, so it would be a good idea to get copyediting help at WP:GOCE. Yoninah (talk) 16:29, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
@Yoninah: Done Thank you. --Jujiang (talk) 18:47, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
  • @Jujiang: I don't think you understand what I'm asking for. Please show this to a native English speaker. Yoninah (talk) 20:01, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
@Yoninah: Could you please make some minor changes to the article if there is no big problem and no trouble? Thank you. --Jujiang (talk) 21:02, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
  • I could, but I need a translation of the Chinese sources. I will try to look at this again when I have more time. Yoninah (talk) 21:04, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 22[edit]

Alice in Borderland (TV series)

Created by Horacio Vara (talk). Self-nominated at 00:06, 29 December 2020 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg ALT3 is the most interesting. ALT1 isn’t as unusual as it seems. But where are the sources for the hooks here? The article itself does not appear to have sourcing issues and obviously surpasses the character count requirement. Nothing looks to be a copyright violation or out of neutrality.
As this is your third DYK nomination, you don’t need to do quid pro quo. Trillfendi (talk) 20:35, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
@Trillfendi: Added sources. Horacio Varawanna talk? 02:23, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

Stephen Borthwick (schoolmaster), Epsom College in Malaysia

Created by Moonraker (talk). Self-nominated at 16:21, 26 December 2020 (UTC).

  • Note Fram has started an AfD, I suggest this can be left on hold until that has been dealt with. Moonraker (talk) 17:08, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

The Myth of the Zodiac Killer

Police sketch of a person purported to be the Zodiac Killer
Police sketch of a person purported to be the Zodiac Killer
  • Reviewed: Forthcoming

Created by Chetsford (talk). Self-nominated at 06:35, 22 December 2020 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Article is new enough (created 12/22), long enough, and cited appropriately. Earwig detected no concerns. The hook is short enough, interesting, and accurately sourced. Photo license states it is PD. QPQ remains to be done. Cbl62 (talk) 18:26, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
  • Cbl62, the hook wording is too repetitive, and we try not to print names with no Wikipedia article on the main page. I suggest something like:
  • ALT1: ... that the author of a 2014 non-fiction book contends that the Zodiac Killer (police sketch shown) never really existed? Yoninah (talk) 15:57, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
Symbol question.svg alt1 looks good. Its succinct, hooky, short enough, and sourced. Looks like the QPQ is still needed. Cbl62 (talk) 17:39, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 23[edit]

Svetlana Lloyd

  • ... that Svetlana Lloyd accidentally became a model for Christian Dior, after wandering into his Paris boutique looking for a receptionist job? Source: "Lloyd found herself one of Dior's 15 house mannequins after walking the streets of Paris looking for work as a shop assistant. The former ballerina was instead whisked upstairs, popped into a dress and presented to the man himself. She started the next day." (and [42], and “I’d gone to look for a job as a receptionist, because I spoke French, but before I knew it, someone whisked me upstairs and had me putting on clothes. I was given a chit to have my hair done, and told how to do my makeup—you had to do it yourself in those days—and report back for work the next day.” [43]
  • Reviewed: not yet done

Created by Edwardx (talk) and Philafrenzy (talk). Nominated by Edwardx (talk) at 21:55, 30 December 2020 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Article is new, long enough and meutral. It cites sources inline. "Earwig's Copyvio Detector" reports no significant text similarities. The hook (I prefer the origian one) is well-formatted and interesting. Its length is withiin limit and its fact is cited inline. QPQ is not provided. Approval will follow addressing the issue. CeeGee 10:19, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

Pueblo pottery

Mimbres fish pot, c. 1000–1150 AD
Mimbres fish pot, c. 1000–1150 AD
  • ... that Pueblo pottery (example pictured) has been created by Pueblo people and their antecedents in the Southwestern United States and Northern Mexico for almost two thousand years? Source: several
  • Reviewed: to come
  • Comment: User's second article for DYK - the first is on the Main page right now - I'm just the nominator. The source is a book.

Created by Netherzone (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 16:45, 30 December 2020 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg The article is long enough and new enough. I assume good faith on the references that I can't access. The hook is directly cited and the image is free use. The information about the list of pueblos, underneath the Current Era section, needs to be referenced. A QPQ is needed. Gerda Arendt SL93 (talk) 20:41, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
    Thank you for the review. I reviewed now Template:Did you know nominations/Cécile Nobrega. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:40, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
This article is interesting enough. I would like to see the banner at Pueblo_pottery#Contemporary_period removed during the time that it is featured on the main page.--Epiphyllumlover (talk) 04:11, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

Codakia orbicularis, Ctena orbiculata, Lucina pensylvanica

5x expanded by Cwmhiraeth (talk). Self-nominated at 11:19, 29 December 2020 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on December 24[edit]

Mohamad Isa

Created by Jeromi Mikhael (talk). Self-nominated at 13:41, 30 December 2020 (UTC).

Yule Ranch

the low water crossing with concrete box culverts
the low water crossing with concrete box culverts

Created/expanded by Epiphyllumlover (talk). Self-nominated at 21:03, 24 December 2020 (UTC).

  • General eligibility:

Policy compliance:

Hook eligibility:

QPQ: ????
Overall: Symbol question.svg It is currently sitting at 1,475. I do not think that the original hook or ALT1 are all that interesting. I believe ALT2 is the best option. Muttnick (talk) 03:23, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

  • I support using ALT2. I added the name of the ranch's founder and reworded another line for clarity. It is now up to 1524 bytes of readable prose.--Epiphyllumlover (talk) 01:50, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

Millie Lovelock

Created by Road to Oblivion (talk). Self-nominated at 15:47, 25 December 2020 (UTC).

  • Article new enough; created Dec. 24. Long enough, at almost 4000 characters. Within policy on all counts: neutrality, sources, and paraphrasing issues, etc. I like both hooks, although I prefer the 1st one. How about combining both, like this: ... that New Zealand-born musician Millie Lovelock was a student columnist for Otago Daily Times while writing her English Literature Masters thesis on One Direction? Cool and interesting hook, sourced, and neutral. 1st DYK, so QIQ not required. Symbol question.svg Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 03:54, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
Yes, I like your version. I can go with that, thanks for the review.Road to Oblivion (talk) 22:21, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

Snow Halation

Created by Juhachi (talk). Self-nominated at 01:43, 25 December 2020 (UTC).

  • First comment on a DYK nomination. Anyway, I mostly support this nomination, but I have a few comments/questions, which may be taken with some grains of salt:
    • I think "Japanese pop" should be entirely linked to J-pop, since I imagine that people expect "pop" to link to pop music.
    • The text "idol group μ's" should probably be altered as there are two adjacent links to be part of the same text (see MOS:SEAOFBLUE).
    • Is there a better way to quickly write "music video in anime format"? Aside from the aforementioned sea of blue problem, anime music video is a term with a different meaning in anime fandom jargon.
    • Article-wise, the song sample may need to be trimmed per WP:SAMPLE, unless there's a good reason why it's above 30 seconds (though I imagine SiIvaGunner may have already crossed that line).
Todokete indeed. -BRAINULATOR9 (TALK) 22:35, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
Thank you for the review. As an alternative hook for your first three bullet points:
And for the music sample, I had merely included the entire chorus, but I will shorten it to below 26 seconds, 10% of the length of the song.-- 03:11, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
You're welcome, and that works. Support ALT 1. -BRAINULATOR9 (TALK) 00:54, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
@Brainulator9: Thank you. Please place either {{DYKtick}} or {{DYKtickAGF}} so the nomination can be promoted.-- 03:04, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
Gotcha. Symbol confirmed.svg -BRAINULATOR9 (TALK) 03:13, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
Symbol question.svg @Brainulator9: As far as I can tell a full review for the nomination has yet to be done. Could you please check if all of the DYK criteria are met? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 09:03, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
@Brainulator9: Reping due to a typo in the previous edit. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 09:04, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

@Narutolovehinata5: If you believe the review was incomplete, then please conduct another review.-- 11:37, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

The Ur-Quan Masters

  • ... that The Ur-Quan Masters is celebrated as one of the best free games, as an open source remake of Star Control II, a science fiction game widely considered one of the greatest games of all time? Source: "The Ur-Quan Masters has been included on several best games lists since its release." / "Journalists have listed Star Control among their best games of all time,[10] with Star Control II earning even more "best game" rankings through the 1990s,[11] 2000s,[12] and 2010s.[13]"

Improved to Good Article status by Shooterwalker (talk) and Jovanmilic97 (talk). Nominated by Shooterwalker (talk) at 19:04, 24 December 2020 (UTC).

  • @Shooterwalker: I'm not keen on the hook. It's a bit too complicated, and has a bit of a spammy feel. Could it be rewritten? Something like "...that [publication] named The Ur-Quan Masters, an open-source remake of Star Control II, as [whatever]?" might work. The article looks fine, though. Josh Milburn (talk) 15:53, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
  • I can see how the tone feels a little too much like an advert, compared to how it's stated in the article. Let me try again:
  • Truthfully I think it does add to the hook to know that Star Control II itself has been repeatedly listed as one of the best games ever -- that it's not just celebrated for being free. But having trouble phrasing that without sounding like puffery. Shooterwalker (talk) 14:50, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
  • @Shooterwalker: Sorry I missed this response! I'm still not loving it, as it sounds like you're saying that the publications adapted Star Control II. I tried the following, but I'm still not keen on it because of the passive "has been described", so I've also added an alt 3 for you to modify. Josh Milburn (talk) 14:28, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

ALT2: ... that The Ur-Quan Masters , an open source remake of the 1992 game Star Control II, has been described as one of the best free PC games ever?

ALT3: ... that The Ur-Quan Masters , an open source remake of the 1992 game Star Control II, was described [by/in somone/something] as one of the best free PC games ever?

  • Re-reading ALT1 it's a mess, and ALT2 is much better. Let's wrap it up:
Just to give a little more info on what Star Control II was. Ideally we'd be able to mention that it's also one of the best games ever, but at least knowing the genre allows people to get a feel for what kind of game it is. Shooterwalker (talk) 17:51, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

Torristas and Molinistas

Created by Evrik (talk). Self-nominated at 23:11, 31 December 2020 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on December 26[edit]

Schloss Freudenberg

Schloss Freudenberg from the park
Schloss Freudenberg from the park
  • Reviewed: to come
  • Comment: sorry, the holidays made me late again, - I forgot about this one.

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 23:16, 4 January 2021 (UTC).

Vadakkekara Grama Panchayat

Created by Path slopu (talk). Self-nominated at 12:38, 26 December 2020 (UTC).

  • Comment: you need to significantly shorten the hook, as it is 268 characters; hooks should generally be less than 200 characters. Mindmatrix 18:08, 28 December 2020 (UTC)
  • @Mindmatrix: Hi greetings, thank you for the advice. I added two alternatives of smaller size. Regards.--PATH SLOPU 07:46, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

Minoru Makihara

Created by Ktin (talk). Self-nominated at 02:00, 26 December 2020 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on December 28[edit]

Iqbal Qureshi

  • ... that Iqbal Qureshi composed the music for the film Cha Cha Cha (1964), the first Indian film to feature Western dance? Cha Cha Cha, a musical, set a new trend in Indian cinema as the first film to showcase the arrival of the emerging Western dance genre....The phenomenal music score was by a relatively obscure composer Iqbal Qureshi. [45]
    • ALT1:... that ...? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)

Created by Whispyhistory (talk), Nizil Shah (talk), and Philafrenzy (talk). Nominated by Whispyhistory (talk) at 19:29, 3 January 2021 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg The article is long enough and new enough with no copyright violations. The hook is directly cited. A QPQ has been completed. However, two of the references are self-published books from Notion Press. Per WP:SELFPUB, "Self-published expert sources may be considered reliable when produced by an established subject-matter expert, whose work in the relevant field has previously been published by reliable, independent publications." SL93 (talk) 01:51, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

Looking for Magical Doremi

  • ... that the film poster for Looking for Magical Doremi appeared in an episode of Healin' Good Pretty Cure to promote the film? Source: Oricon (link): "第16話に登場したポスターには、おジャ魔女メンバーのどれみ、はづき、あいこ、おんぷ、ももこと、『魔女見習いをさがして』のソラ、ミレ、レイカの計8人が描かれていた。[The poster in episode 16 contains the 8 characters that consist of Ojamajo members Doremi, Hazuki, Aiko, Onpu, and Momoko, as well as Sora, Mire, and Reika from Looking for Magical Doremi]."
    • ALT1:... that the film Looking for Magical Doremi depicts real-life locations of where Ojamajo Doremi is based? Source: Anime News Network (link): "They go on trips together across Japan, doubling down on some serious anime tourism by visiting a ton of different places seen in the various seasons of Magical DoReMi."
    • ALT2:... the dandelions seen in Looking for Magical Doremi was a reference to the production staff's previous work, Yume no Crayon Oukoku? Source: Natalie (link): "観客からのQ&Aコーナーでは、「どれみ」と「魔女見習い」に共通する「タンポポの綿毛」というモチーフについて質問が。すると佐藤監督は「これは『夢のクレヨン王国』までさかのぼる話なんですが、『クレヨン王国』は綿毛がふわっと飛んでいく場面で終わるんです。[In the Q & A corner from the audience, there was a question about the "dandelion fluff" commonly seen in [Ojamajo] Doremi and Looking for Magical Doremi, to which director [Junichi] Sato said, "This goes all the way back to Yume no Crayon Oukoku, where Yume no Crayon Oukoku ended with a scene were a fluff flutters and flies [to the sky]."]."

5x expanded by Lullabying (talk). Self-nominated at 07:39, 28 December 2020 (UTC).

  • I have decided not to review this nomination formally, but I have a couple of comments. 1. Can a flesh-and-blood actor "star" in an anime? 2. I think ALT1 is the most interesting, but it doesn't look grammatically correct to me ("Locations where the anime is based on"). --Moscow Connection (talk) 14:48, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 30[edit]

City of Champaign v. Madigan

  • ... that City of Champaign v. Madigan was the first decision by an Illinois court addressing whether the private emails of government officials are subject to public disclosure? Source: "The first court decision on whether private emails are subject to FOIA was an appeal of PAC Opinion 11-006... In City of Champaign v. Madigan..." ([46], p. 14)
    • ALT1:... that an Illinois appellate court ruled that city officials of Champaign, Illinois had to publicly disclose messages they had sent in private during a city council meeting? Sources: "a reporter ... attended a public meeting of the Champaign City Council and noticed some aldermen using their personal cell phones and other electronic devices to send messages during the meeting." ([47])
      "For the reasons stated, communications 'pertaining to public business' and sent to and from individual city council member's personal electronic devices during the time city council meetings ... were convened should be turned over to the City's FOIA officer for review of what information, if any, should be...provided to [the FOIA requester]." (Ibid.)

Moved to mainspace by Edge3 (talk). Self-nominated at 01:04, 2 January 2021 (UTC).

Erin O'Toole

Erin O'Toole
Erin O'Toole
  • Reviewed: 4th nomination
  • Comment: No preference between the first two hooks

Improved to Good Article status by Username6892 (talk). Self-nominated at 00:30, 31 December 2020 (UTC).

  • Is he really "pro-abortion"? Or just against laws that excessively restrict abortion? (t · c) buidhe 07:34, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Buidhe, I think he's the latter so I added "pro-choice" as an ALT 2A. Username6892 12:21, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

Theme and Variations (ballet)

Kansas City Ballet dancers in Theme and Variations
Kansas City Ballet dancers in Theme and Variations
  • Reviewed: Michael Gläser
  • Comment: Some of the older New York Times references in the article require a subscription to access; Not sure what should I put in the brackets for pictured.

5x expanded by Corachow (talk). Self-nominated at 21:15, 30 December 2020 (UTC).

Acer cascadense

  • ... that the extinct maple Acer cascadense was described from a helicopter found in the 1950s? Source: "Collections were made by Eleanor Gordon Thompson in the 1950s (donated to University of California Museum of Paleontology, Berkeley – specimens with catalog numbers prefixed by UCMP)." (Manchester et al 2018)
    • ALT1:... that the extinct maple Acer cascadense is named for its type locality in the Oregon Cascades? Source: "Type locality is in the northern part of the Cascade Range of Oregon" (Wolfe & Tanai 1987 pg.102)

Moved to mainspace by Kevmin (talk). Self-nominated at 19:27, 30 December 2020 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Article meets DYK requirements, no close paraphrasing was found, a QPQ has been done. ALT1 is cited inline and uses an offline source so AGF, but it feels rather routine so it doesn't really seem very interesting; as such, I would suggest not going with it (I have nonetheless made some typographical errors). If we have to use a hook, it would be ALT0. However, there are currently a number of issues with it. Firstly, the source doesn't seem to mention that the fruit was found in the 1950s, the closest wording I could find was the aforementioned donation. Secondly, I understand that "helicopter" is an alternative name for the samara (I will leave it to another editor to decide on the appropriateness on using "helicopter" since it could be hooky and fitting for the quirky slot but nevertheless misleading since readers would likely think of the aircraft and not the fruit). However, the source only uses "samara" and does not use "helicopter" (or indeed any of the other nicknames). Once these have been clarified we should be good to go with some variant of ALT0. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 01:00, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
Helicopter is a common alternative to the technical term samara, most people will not know what a samara is, and is makes a very bland hook at that point. The secondary source (Manchester) addresses the UCMP collections Moose mountain flora, which were collected by Thompson in the 1950 and then donated to the UCMP.
What makes alt1 banal to the lay public?--Kevmin § 01:14, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
I know admittedly little about botany, but I'm pretty sure that a species being named after where it was found (or its discoverer) is so commonplace it's not even quirky. If there was a story behind said naming (like for example, if the type was named after a place or person because of a particular interesting reason), then that would have been an interesting fact. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 01:50, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
You are missing that many lay people like finding out where and what things are named for. I have not seen any issues with similar hooks that I've proposed before. I feel it will be interesting to a broad audience. You have to remember you do not have an unbiased view of hooks, since you work with them daily rather then the one time the vast majority of the millions of viewers who look at the mainpage daily. --Kevmin § 17:03, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
Lay person and biologist chiming in: Alt1 is a neat fact, but not really 'hooky': it doesn't seem likely to draw readers if posted on the main page, which is the primary purpose of the hook. An etymology-based hook would be more suited to a more unusual namesake, like Gagadon or Aptostichus stephencolberti. --Animalparty! (talk) 03:51, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

See You in the Cosmos

Created/expanded by Gerald Waldo Luis (talk). Self-nominated at 17:15, 1 January 2021 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on December 31[edit]

Philip Saunders (philatelist)

  • ... that in their 1962 postal history of the Cayman Islands, Philip Saunders and Everard Aguilar were unable to find any surviving mail from the islands before 1889 in private collections, and very little in archives?
    • ALT1:... that ...?
  • Reviewed: To be done

Created by Philafrenzy (talk) and Whispyhistory (talk). Nominated by Philafrenzy (talk) at 22:40, 5 January 2021 (UTC).

  • @Philafrenzy and Whispyhistory: New enough and long enough. QPQ needed. The article has no textual issues, and the hook is interesting, but the hook fact needs an inline citation in its sentence. Please ping me when these errors have been addressed. Sammi Brie (she/her • tc) 04:46, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

Rosemary Margaret Smith

Created by Thriley (talk) and Silver seren (talk). Nominated by Silver seren (talk) at 22:18, 4 January 2021 (UTC).

Policy compliance:

Hook eligibility:

  • Cited: Green tickY
  • Interesting: Red XN - The hook is rather unremarkable: nearly every taxonomist who describes a genus uses physical characteristics (at least before the genetic revolution), and the number of species within is irrelevant. Terms like "successfully " and "entire genus" read as promotional.
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol possible vote.svg New enough and long enough at just over 2,000 prose characters. A more interesting hook is needed. However my overall impression from this article is that it relies too heavily on primary sources and brief mentions, which, along with the tone, gives the subtle appearance of overselling notability and misrepresenting the significance of what may be rather routine accomplishments, i.e. telling a collective story that has not yet been told outside of Wikipedia (a form of novel synthesis that runs afoul of WP:PSTS). The statement "first person to describe the Malay Rose", albeit sourced, is at odds with the fact the species now known as Etlingera maingayi was described by Baker in 1892 and simply placed into Etlingera by Smith. What is missing are secondary sources that discuss Smith in better depth, to more firmly establish notability and assess how much due weight to give any accomplishments. This article lists things Smith did, which is not necessarily what she is known for; an obituary or other biographical source would be useful for the latter. Her IPNI listing mentions a 2005 article in Guild News, Edinburgh, which might provide better context and balance. --Animalparty! (talk) 22:14, 6 January 2021 (UTC)

@Animalparty: "However my overall impression from this article is that it relies too heavily on primary sources and brief mentions"
I don't understand this statement at all. There is only a single primary source from Smith in the article and then a few database record sources. But all the rest of the references are secondary sources discussing Smith's research. And several go into extreme depth or are almost entirely about Smith's research and classification efforts. Including [50], [51], [52], and [53]. Her efforts have informed the entire field of research into the ginger family. SilverserenC 00:54, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
I should have said primary literature (i.e. scientific papers) and brief mentions, being that most of the discussions and references of Smith in primary literature seem to be routine science, and there is little way from the current sources to assess the significance of previous work (to address the "so what?"). Taxonomists cite the relevant work of any previous researcher, from Charles Darwin to lowly grad students with 1 paper to their name. From Julius et al. 2008 we learn Smith divided Plagiostachys into two informal groups' from Nagamasu & Sakai (1996), that she divided Amomum into 5 groups. From Poulsen & Searle 2005: Smith reviewed 4 species of Scaphochlamys from Borneo. Syazana et al. 2017 briefly mention Smith's work on Zingiberaceae of Mulu National Park. Yes, and? Was she a genius? a quack? Are her classifications still relevant? Smith's previous work is verifiable, but from the primary literature references it's tough to glean meaningful context. Aside from delving into intricacies of Smith's classifications (which is of interest chiefly only to ginger taxonomists) Kress et al. 2005 seems to give the most 'in depth' summary of Smith's work with Alpinia, namely that her "elegant and intricate classification of Alpinia was an attempt to provide a modern interpretation of the complex array of species placed in this genus. Her two subgenera, 11 sections, and 12 subsections encompassed the 221 species known at that time." That's a sliver of historic context, but more is needed. Kress et al. also note that their results are incongruent with Smith's classification, but meticulous dissection of scientific papers like this is beyond the scope and purview of Wikipedia, which is why sources that explicitly state (rather than infer) the significance of Smith's work are needed. Encyclopedia articles shouldn't be checklists of accomplishments (verifiability doesn't guarantee inclusion), but discussions of the significance of achievements with appropriate weight. A reliable source that clearly states "Smith made important contributions to X, especially Y and Z..." would vastly clarify what is worth including in her encyclopedia article, and why. --Animalparty! (talk) 02:25, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
I very much don't agree with you on that, but i'll keep looking. It's strange though. I would have originally said that her work was extensive, but in such a specific area and time period where it was unlikely to get actual news coverage. But it feels like it's more than that. Her scientific partner for many publications, Brian Laurence Burtt, had a lengthy obituary published in the Edinburgh journal for where they both worked when he died in 2009. They even have an extensive article congratulating him on his 90th birthday in an earlier edition. But there's nothing for Rosemary. No obituary or anything, despite said journal publishing a ton of papers written by her. It honestly just feels like...a brick wall of really blatant sexism. SilverserenC 05:36, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
I found that there was also a genus named after her. At least her fellow scientists in the field cared about her contributions.
"This new genus is named for Ms. Rosemary M. Smith formerly of the Royal Botanic Garden at Edinburgh in recognition of her great contributions to our knowledge of the taxonomy of the Zingiberaceae"
- Smithatris, a New Genus of Zingiberaceae from Southeast Asia SilverserenC 06:44, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

Jincheon Gilsangsa

View of Jincheon Gilsangsa
View of Jincheon Gilsangsa

Created by Jirangmoon (talk). Self-nominated at 09:51, 2 January 2021 (UTC).


5x expanded by Sammi Brie (talk). Self-nominated at 18:02, 1 January 2021 (UTC).


5x expanded by Sammi Brie (talk). Self-nominated at 03:33, 1 January 2021 (UTC).

Lorraine Monk

Monk and Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau (middle) showing President Gerald Ford Between Friends / Entre Amis, Canada's bicentennial gift to the United States (1976)
Monk and Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau (middle) showing President Gerald Ford Between Friends / Entre Amis, Canada's bicentennial gift to the United States (1976)

5x expanded by Ktin (talk) and AleatoryPonderings (talk). Nominated by Ktin (talk) at 03:23, 31 December 2020 (UTC).

Mr. Touchdown, U.S.A.

Mr. Touchdown pictured in 1951
Mr. Touchdown pictured in 1951

Created by Chetsford (talk). Self-nominated at 03:01, 31 December 2020 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg New enough, long enough, neutrally written, well referenced, no close paraphrasing seen. However, none of the Newspapers.com articles are clipped; if you could clip those, I could check them too. QPQ done.
  • I find the hook repetitively worded and therefore not so interesting. Can you suggest another hook angle? Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 19:50, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Yoninah - sorry sorry sorry for this great delay in response. I've locked myself out of my newspapers.com account and am trying to recover the password but I may need to file a request at the library. In the interim, I've given an updated hook, above. Chetsford (talk) 21:53, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

Morning Star (1862 ship)

  • Reviewed: No QPQ needed

Created by Scorpions13256 (talk). Self-nominated at 01:38, 31 December 2020 (UTC).

  • More of a comment but perhaps another hook can be proposed here? I just read the article and I thought the fact that the death toll was unknown because many of the passengers weren't in the manifest than the survivors being rescued by its sister ship (which I assume is not an uncommon occurrence in sailing). Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 11:45, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

Hurricane Beryl

Promoted to GA by Destroyeraa (talk). Self-nominated at 19:59, 31 December 2020 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on January 1[edit]

Nun lasst uns gehn und treten

  • Reviewed: to come

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 20:12, 8 January 2021 (UTC).

Azari or the Ancient Language of Azerbaijan

  • ... that Ahmad Kasravi in his book Azari or the Ancient Language of Azerbaijan, proved that the Azeri language has Iranian roots? Source: KASRAVI, AḤMAD i. LIFE AND WORK He shows that the word āẕari found in most books of medieval history, especially those from the first centuries of Islam, is the name of the old language of Azerbaijan that was related to the Iranian languages and was a descendant of the language of the Medes with no relationship to Turkish

5x expanded by Amir Ghandi (talk). Self-nominated at 08:55, 8 January 2021 (UTC).

George Forrester Williams

  • ... that after working as a military adviser in Guatemala and Peru, George Forrester Williams was named managing editor of the New York Times in 1870?

Created/expanded by JKBrooks85 (talk). Self-nominated at 06:18, 5 January 2021 (UTC).

Laudakia nupta

Laudakia nupta sitting on a rock.
Laudakia nupta sitting on a rock.
  • ... that Laudakia nupta (pictured) has been renamed over eight different times? [56]
    • ALT1:... that the name of Laudakia nupta (pictured) comes from the Latin word for a bride who veils herself? [57]: "Named after the past participle of the Latin verb nūbo, meaning to cover, veil, but as transferred meaning: to wed marry; hence nupta means ‛one who hides herself (perhaps within rock slits)’, but more correctly ‛a bride-woman (who veils herself for bridegroom)’ (Lewis, 1969), hence denotes the beauty and a crown-like crest in the head region of the species, representing a bride crown"
  • Comment: There weren't many fun facts that stood out to me, so if the person reviewing this has any ideas for ways to improve these hooks I'm all ears. Also this is my 5th DYK nom (3rd DYK self-nom).

Created by Starsandwhales (talk). Self-nominated at 19:04, 4 January 2021 (UTC).

  • Starting review--Kevmin § 22:14, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg article new enough and long enough. Alt1 hook cited, source taken AGF. I dont see the ALT0 hook actually in the article prose (eg 8 taxon names) if we like that one we should add the number 8 and list the synonyms the taxobox. I did a quick google scholar search and found this article on parasites which is a good addition, and could make for an interesting hook. --Kevmin § 23:20, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
  • The 8 taxon thing is in the source, from the reptile database. I'm not sure where to add the parasite info (in description or in another section?), and the paper is about L. nupta nupta and not L. nupta. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Starsandwhales (talkcontribs) 21:42, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
  • @Starsandwhales: The article needs to ALSO mention specifically 8 names in the prose for the hook to be considered. So mentioning in the taxonomy that 8 name combinations have been used for the species. Also looking at the Reptile database page, only 6 unique name combinations seem to be present.
  • The parasites would be mentioned in a separate section for parasites, and given that L. nupta nupta is a subspecies of L. nupta, it should be covered in the species article preferentially, sinvce WP:TOL and WP:Reptile guidelines are to only make subspecies articles if the species article is getting too large.--Kevmin § 19:24, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

Spider-Man 2

Improved to Good Article status by Horacio Vara (talk). Self-nominated at 16:26, 2 January 2021 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on January 2[edit]

Stonecrop Gardens

Stonecrop Gardens, Cold Spring
Stonecrop Gardens, Cold Spring
  • Reviewed: to come
  • Comment: The plants pictured in the foreground a stonecrop, but tricky to say.

5x expanded by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 16:39, 9 January 2021 (UTC).

Zabân-e Pâk

Moved to mainspace by Amir Ghandi (talk). Self-nominated at 09:22, 8 January 2021 (UTC).

Leon Rains

  • ... that Leon Rains, a bass singer who studied in New York City and Paris, took part in the world premiere of Salome and an early recording of Tannhäuser? Source: several
  • Reviewed: to come

Created by LouisAlain (talk), Grimes2 (talk), and Gerda Arendt (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 21:00, 7 January 2021 (UTC).

Embassy of the Philippines, Cairo

Exterior of the Philippine Embassy in Cairo
Exterior of the Philippine Embassy in Cairo
  • ... that the exact date of when the Embassy of the Philippines in Cairo was established is unclear, despite the Philippines first naming an ambassador to Egypt in 1960? (Source: "Back in Malacañang about 11 a.m. the President received [...] Philippine Ambassador Pullong Arpa to the United Arab Republic, who is going back to his post after a few weeks’ vacation here." –Official Gazette / "The exact date of the establishment of the Philippine Embassy in Cairo, however, could not be determined." –Official website of the Embassy)

Created by Sky Harbor (talk). Self-nominated at 04:18, 7 January 2021 (UTC).

Go (artwork)

  • ... that Kehinde Wiley wanted to express "absolute joy – break dancing in the sky" when he created Go? Source: "So much of what goes on in ceiling frescoes are people expressing a type of levity and religious devotion and ascendancy", said Mr. Wiley, who has a studio in New York but spent much of the year in his studio in Dakar, Senegal. "For me the movement and space made so much more sense thinking about ways bodies twirl in break dancing". One woman wears baggy yellow pants and a crop top; another is outfitted in a denim jacket. Instead of angels and gods in classical frescoes, Mr. Wiley offers Nike logos and pigeons in midflight. The outstretched finger of a young woman in camouflage shorts conjures images of "The Creation of Adam" by Michelangelo on the Sistine Chapel's ceiling. “It’s this idea of expressing absolute joy — break dancing in the sky", he said, noting that break dancing began in New York City". ([https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/30/arts/design/penn-station-art-moynihan.html "Let There Be Light, and Art, in the Moynihan Train Hall", The New York Times, Dionne Searcey, 30 December 2020)

Created by No Swan So Fine (talk). Self-nominated at 22:51, 6 January 2021 (UTC).

Ossan's Love

  • ... that the Japanese television drama Ossan's Love is credited with popularizing the boys' love genre for a general audience outside of anime and manga fans? Source: ANN, SCMP
    • ALT1:... that an Instagram account for the Japanese television drama Ossan's Love presented as the personal account of one of the series' characters gained more followers than the series' main account? Source: Oricon News

Created by Morgan695 (talk) and Lullabying (talk). Nominated by Morgan695 (talk) at 22:01, 5 January 2021 (UTC).

Antoinette Dinga Dzondo

Dinga Dzondo in 2017
Dinga Dzondo in 2017
  • ... that Antoinette Dinga Dzondo (pictured), the Republic of the Congo's Minister of Social Affairs and Humanitarian Action, setup a fund to help refugees in the country to return home? Source: [62] " La Banque mondiale, via l'Association internationale de développement (IDA), a versé 12,7 milliards de francs CFA (21,3 millions de dollars) à un projet gouvernemental en faveur des réfugiés et leurs hôtes congolais pauvres, a annoncé jeudi à Brazzaville la ministre des Affaires sociales, Antoinette Dinga Dzondo." ("The World Bank, through the International Development Association (IDA), has provided 12.7 billion CFA francs ($ 21.3 million) to a government project for refugees and their poor Congolese hosts, the Minister of Social Affairs, Antoinette Dinga Dzondo announced Thursday in Brazzaville.")
    • ALT1:... that Antoinette Dinga Dzondo (pictured), the Republic of the Congo's Minister of Social Affairs and Humanitarian Action, previously worked at the African Development Bank for 24 years? Source: [63] "Elle a fait toute sa carrière professionnelle à la Banque africaine de développement (BAD) de Janvier 1992 à Mai 2016 soit 24 ans." ("She spent her entire professional career at the African Development Bank (AfDB) from January 1992 to May 2016, i.e. 24 years.")

Created by Joseph2302 (talk). Self-nominated at 13:12, 5 January 2021 (UTC).

Demographic history of Russia

  • ... that the over-population and increased tax burden caused one of the most severe collapses of the population of Russia? It was during this period of intense external and internal conflict (the Livonian War and oprichnina) that Russia experienced a demographic disaster of the first magnitude. The specific trigger was a poor harvest in 1567. .... Normally such bad harvests did not result in a famine .... However, the increased press of taxation ..., coming on top of an economic system stressed to the brink by overpopulation, meant that peasants could not afford to keep sufficient grain to tide them over a period of dearth. Turchin, P.; Nefedov, S. (2009), Secular Cycles, Princeton University Press, ISBN 978-0691136967
    • ALT1:... that most of Russian cities were destroyed as a result of the Mongol invasion? Юг и северо-восток Руси избежали демографической катастрофы – но именно на эти области пришелся страшный удар монгольской орды. Из 74 русских городов 49 были разорены монголами, 14 из них так и не поднялись из пепла, а 15 превратились в села. В Московской земле погибло 2/3 всех селений, в земле вятичей - 9/10. Нефедов, С. А. (2002). "О демографических циклах в истории средневековой Руси". Клио. 3: 193–203.
    • ALT2:... that Russian landlords tried to prevent their peasant households from being counted in censuses by combining several households into one? переписчикъ объявлялъ, чтобы онѣ „у переписки крестьянъ и бобылей не таили, людей изъ нѣсколькихъ дворовъ въ одинъ не переводили, чужихъ крестьянъ и бобылей заочно за собой пе писали, а крестьянъ своихъ и бобылей „людьми" или служками и дѣтенышами не называли Седашев, В. (1912). Очерки и материалы по истории землевладения Московской Руси в XVII веке. Москва: В. Рихтера. p. 203.

Created by Alaexis (talk). Self-nominated at 20:05, 2 January 2021 (UTC).

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Guy J

Guy J at La Feria, Santiago, Chile
Guy J at La Feria, Santiago, Chile
  • ... that progressive house record producer and DJ Guy J (pictured) prefers analog equipment over software, describing its sound as "a bit dirty and warm"? Source

Expanded 5-fold by Casliber (talk) and Ceoil (talk). Nominated by Casliber (talk) at 02:05, 4 January 2021 (UTC).

Douglass Cater

Created by Guerillero (talk). Self-nominated at 22:32, 2 January 2021 (UTC).

Eva Haifa Giraud

  • ... that by paying attention to mundane decision-making among activists, the critical theorist Eva Haifa Giraud troubles the notion of staying with the trouble? Source: "Her thick descriptions of the protest ecologies in which both these sites are embedded and of the mundane decision-making and organisational labour required to create and operate them is also used to trouble the notion of—as Hara-way famously puts it—“staying with the trouble”." -- Joan Haran)
  • Comment: This is a complicated topic, but I thought the hook fairly catchy.

Created by J Milburn (talk). Self-nominated at 10:59, 2 January 2021 (UTC).

Nanohana (manga)

Created by Morgan695 (talk). Self-nominated at 01:34, 2 January 2021 (UTC).


  • Reviewed: This is my third nomination, so a QPQ is not required.
  • Comment: The source is behind a paywall, so either the reviewer has to either be subscribed to the Billboard website or read it through an archive url through the Wayback Machine.

Improved to Good Article status by Lazman321 (talk) and Dhtwiki (talk). Nominated by Lazman321 (talk) at 00:31, 3 January 2021 (UTC).

Current nominations[edit]

Articles created/expanded on January 3[edit]

Bob Wells (vandweller)

  • ... that Bob Wells has been called the "high priest" of vandwelling? Source: "Mr. Wells is, in many ways, the self-styled “high priest” of living in a van." medium.com [66]
    • ALT1:... that when Bob Wells first started living in a van, he regularly cried himself to sleep? Source: "At first, he couldn’t believe that he had fallen so low, and 'crying [him]self to sleep was a routine event.'" New York Post [67]
    • ALT2:... that Bob Wells created a Burning Man for retirees? Source: "Often called a Burning Man for retirees, the RTR is starting to skew younger, at least by anecdotal measures." The New York Times [68]

Created by StonyBrook (talk). Self-nominated at 21:28, 7 January 2021 (UTC).

Attara Kacheri

Front facade of the Attara Kacheri, Bangalore
Front facade of the Attara Kacheri, Bangalore
  • ... that in the early 1950s, Kengal Hanumanthaiah, Chief Minister of Mysore, wanted to demolish the Attara Kacheri (pictured), seeing it as a vestige of colonialism? Source: "He even sought to demolish the Karnataka High Court (also known as “Attara Kacheri”) for representing the colonial vestige in India, but he was denied the requisite permission." (Bar and Bench)
    • ALT1:... that lacking the requisite permission to demolish the colonial-style Attara Kacheri (pictured), Kengal Hanumanthaiah, Chief Minister of Mysore, instead ordered the construction of the Dravidian-style Vidhana Soudha directly opposite it at a slight elevation? Source: "Hanumanthaiah wanted to raise a monumental structure in the Dravidian style to counter the colonial remnants in Mysore. He even sought to demolish the Karnataka High Court (also known as “Attara Kacheri”) for representing the colonial vestige in India, but he was denied the requisite permission" (Bar and Bench); "Apparently , nationalist sentiments were so intense that Hanumanthaiah intentionally built the Vidhana Soudha right opposite the Attara Kacheri at a slight elevation."(The Economic Times)
  • Comment: I don't require a QPQ (only my third DYK), but I plan to review some DYKs anyway. I'll review a few in a few hours Currently reviewing The Doctor and Student.

5x expanded by Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI (talk). Self-nominated at 05:38, 7 January 2021 (UTC).

  • Isn't this just new, on 3rd january? Anyway, new & long enough, seems neutral & well-written & referenced. Both hooks check out for sources but I make ALT1 247 characters long; the limit is 200. Johnbod (talk) 17:25, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
Johnbod, thanks for ALT2, I nominated the article late at night and wasn't able to think of how to shorten the hooks. Btw, I nominated it as an expansion because the article already existed as a redirect to the Karnataka High Court article for several years till I decided to decouple the articles. The article history doesn't show that because I wrote the content in draftspace, and someone else kindly nominated it at WP:RM/TR to be moved to the old redirect page, which TheAafi did. Again, thanks! Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI converse | fings wot i hav dun 06:10, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
Also Johnbod, the hook you proposed is actually 190 characters long, as I believe the (pictured) part is not counted in the character count. Thus, I suggest a final alt, fixing up the grammar a bit:
This does work out to 201 characters, but I don't think one character will be an issue? Please comment. 196 characters now. Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI converse | fings wot i hav dun 16:37, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
It's ok by me, but a new reviewer will be needed (and they might object). Btw, the extent to which the new building actually is "Dravidian-style" is questionable, but it is certainly called that. Johnbod (talk) 17:36, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
Johnbod, I made a final small tweak - I changed Kengal Hanumanthiah to K. Hanumanthiah, which is also a common name the CM was (and continues to be) known by, and is, in fact, the name his article uses. The hook is only 196 characters long now. Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI converse | fings wot i hav dun 01:25, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

Symbol redirect vote 4.svg after i suggested a hook. Johnbod (talk) 17:36, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

The Doctor and Student

Created by AleatoryPonderings (talk). Nominated by Tevildo (talk) at 18:54, 6 January 2021 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg AleatoryPonderings, pinging you in case you don't know Tevildo DYKN'd this article. So... the article is new enough and long enough, and is within policy with no copyvios. Four things, though:
  1. The lead is very short. But wait, see point 2. Resolved.
  2. The hook itself does not appear in the prose. This isn't a huge deal, but people who click it will wonder where exactly the 200-year claim is - they may not remember actively that the book was published in the 16th C. by the time they get to the section that the book was replaced in the 18th C. I suggest moving, or copy-pasting, the second paragraph in the reception section to the lead, directly after "...early 16th century." That way, the lead will be longer, and people will be able to see clearly that the book was used for 200 years, as the hook says. (Alternatively, just add the phrase 'for 200 years' in the second para. in the Reception section, thus: "...English Law students for two hundred years until the advent of Blackstone's...") Resolved
  3. The citations are all books. Not a problem at all, really, and I would AGF, but I thought I'd just ask if you could quote the book cited for the 200-year claim. As it stands, the Google Books link included in the citation just shows the book cover and description, not the text used for the citation.
  4. Tevildo, QPQ?
Do these, and the DYK's ready. Best, Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI converse | fings wot i hav dun 08:58, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI: I believe have addressed points 1–3 above. The specific claim of 200 years/two centuries is a slight inference from the text quoted (see Special:Diff/999141329): the text says Doctor and Student was a "guide for law students" until Blackstone, which suggests approximately two centuries. A possible alt2 (supported by Special:Diff/999143320) would be:
… that Thomas More published a critique of The Doctor and Student?
I will leave the QPQ to Tevildo, since they made the nomination. AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 18:20, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

Dominic Thiem

  • Comment: First DYK

Improved to Good Article status by Ym2X (talk). Self-nominated at 20:48, 4 January 2021 (UTC).

Andy Lamey

  • ... that the philosopher Andy Lamey challenges "new omnivorism", according to which it is permissible to eat animals even if they have moral status? "Many philosophers have argued that farm animals belong to the moral community, and hence, deserve protections from human-caused harms. A common thought is that animal protection entails or otherwise encourages the practice of refraining from eating meat. If we care about protecting animals from harm, the thought goes, we should refrain from eating them. Proponents of New Omnivorism challenge this idea, arguing that animal protection entails that it is morally permissible or even obligatory to eat animals. Andy Lamey’s book, Duty and the Beast, offers the first, book-length criticism of the new omnivorist position(s)." -- Christopher Bobier

Created by J Milburn (talk). Self-nominated at 17:26, 3 January 2021 (UTC).

Public sculptures by Daniel Chester French

Abraham Lincoln by Daniel Chester French
Abraham Lincoln by Daniel Chester French

Moved to mainspace by Guerillero (talk). Self-nominated at 16:58, 3 January 2021 (UTC).

  • Comment Without context, "Public works" normally means drains and bridges, doesn't it? Certainly in the UK, where we used to have a Ministry of Works. Better to use "public sculptures" here, & I'd rename the article too. Johnbod (talk) 17:38, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

Mat and Savanna Shaw

  • ... that Mat and Savanna Shaw's cover of "The Prayer" went viral at the beginning of the COVID-19 pandemic, after which they released their debut album that was ranked 54th on the Billboard 200?


    1. Johnson, Lottie Elizabeth (2020-05-15). "The story behind Utah's viral daddy-daughter singing duo". Deseret News. Archived from the original on 2021-01-03. Retrieved 2021-01-03.

      The article notes: "So they forged ahead and recorded and posted their own rendition of “The Prayer.” Within a few days, after later posting the video to Facebook, Mat Shaw sent a screenshot to his daughter. He had circled the number of views: 2,700. ... The numbers kept rising. And rising. And rising. The video has surpassed 6 million views."

    2. Zellner, Xander (2020-11-05). "The father-daughter duo's 'Picture This' opens atop Classical Albums". Billboard. Archived from the original on 2021-01-03. Retrieved 2021-01-03.

      The article notes: "Utah-based father-and-daughter duo Mat & Savanna Shaw make their Billboard chart debut, arriving at No. 1 on the Emerging Artists chart (dated Nov. 7), thanks to the pair's debut studio album Picture This. The LP launches at No. 1 on the Classical Albums chart and No. 54 on the all-genre Billboard 200 with 12,000 equivalent album units, according to Nielsen Music/MRC Data. It includes the act's version of Andrea Bocelli and Celine Dion's "The Prayer," which has drawn over 7.8 million YouTube views since it posted in March."

Created by Cunard (talk). Self-nominated at 11:05, 3 January 2021 (UTC).

Cheer screening

  • ... that due to the COVID-19 pandemic, Japanese film cheer screenings that encourage audience participation have been replaced with a format where audience text messages are superimposed on the screen? Source: 1

Created by Morgan695 (talk). Self-nominated at 07:54, 3 January 2021 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on January 4[edit]

The Mahdi's tomb

The Mahdi's tomb reconstructed
The Mahdi's tomb reconstructed
  • ... that the tomb of Muhammad Ahmad, located in Sudan, was desecrated by British forces after the Battle of Omdurman in 1898? Source: [69]
    • ALT1:... that ...? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)
Reviewed: My third nom, QPQ not required

Created by ErThomas1 (talk). Nominated by Þjarkur (talk) at 20:29, 7 January 2021 (UTC).

Jenifer Ringer

  • ... that a body shaming comment from a New York Times critic led to ballerina Jenifer Ringer's appearances on The Oprah Winfrey Show and The Today Show? Source: "When, a few years ago, Alastair Macaulay wrote in The New York Times that she seemed to have eaten 'one sugarplum too many,” she was, she says, 'fine.' (Still the review prompted a storm of outrage — and an invitation for her to appear on 'Oprah.')" ([70]) "Jenifer Ringer, who danced the role of the Sugar Plum Fairy, said Monday on NBC's 'Today' that, 'As a dancer, I do put myself out there to be criticized, and my body is part of my art form.'" ([71])

5x expanded by Corachow (talk). Self-nominated at 14:29, 5 January 2021 (UTC).

Doug Grimston

Created by Flibirigit (talk). Self-nominated at 16:32, 4 January 2021 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on January 5[edit]

Confectionery in the English Renaissance

  • Comment: This is my second DYK nomination, so I believe I am still exempt from the review requirement (and frankly, I don't feel confident enough just yet to do that). There's probably a lot more possible hooks here, if needed I can think of some more.

Moved to mainspace by Dariazh (talk). Nominated by LordPeterII (talk) at 23:09, 6 January 2021 (UTC).

  • New & long enough, hook checks out, well-written & referenced. Earwig only finds ingredients. But given the subject, this should use British English, & the various "flavor", "mold" etc should be changed. Johnbod (talk) 18:15, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

Oscar Fritz Schuh

5x expanded by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 22:56, 6 January 2021 (UTC).


Artwork of a seme and uke
Artwork of a seme and uke
  • ... that yaoi is a portmanteau of a phrase that translates to "no climax, no point, no meaning," referencing how early works in the genre focused on sex to the exclusion of plot and character development? Source: "Pornography or Therapy? Japanese Girls Creating the Yaoi Phenomenon"
    • ALT1:... that yaoi, a literary genre focused on male-male romance, originated in the 1970s as a subgenre of girls' comics? Source: "Loving the love of boys: Motives for consuming yaoi media"
    • ALT2:... that the two participants in a yaoi relationship (pictured) are referred to as seme ("top") and uke ("bottom"), terms derived from martial arts that were later appropriated as Japanese LGBT slang? Source: "Boy's Love and Yaoi Revisited"
    • ALT3:... that any man can be the subject of a yaoi manga, including characters from literature, video games, and even real people? Source: "Moe: Exploring Virtual Potential in Post-Millennial Japan"
    • ALT4:... that in China, fans of BL – a male-male romance genre also known as yaoi – use the hashtag "socialist brotherhood" to discuss the genre while avoiding detection from state censors? Source: SCMP
  • Reviewed: Studio 2054
  • Comment: Plenty of material to mine for hooks on this one, as one can imagine.

Improved to Good Article status by Morgan695 (talk). Self-nominated at 22:35, 5 January 2021 (UTC).

Radio Quarantine

Created by Tayi Arajakate (talk). Self-nominated at 12:27, 5 January 2021 (UTC).

Overdrawn at the Memory Bank

Improved to Good Article status by GamerPro64 (talk). Self-nominated at 02:31, 5 January 2021 (UTC).


  1. ^ Scott, Jay (August 18, 1983). "PBS, Canadian firm co-produce film". The Globe and Mail. p. 19 – via ProQuest.

Articles created/expanded on January 6[edit]

Edmilsa Governo

  • ... that in 2016, Edmilsa Governo won Mozambique's first medal at a Paralympic Games? Source: [78], "A jovem atleta tornou-se na primeira medalhista moçambicana na história dos Jogos Paraolímpicos" ("The young athlete became the first Mozambican medalist in the history of some Paralympic games")

Created by Joseph2302 (talk). Self-nominated at 12:37, 7 January 2021 (UTC).

  • Hi Joseph2302, review follows: Symbol voting keep.svg article created 6 January and exceeds minimum length; article is well written and cited inline throughout to what appear to be reliable sources; I found no overly close paraphrasing in a spot check on some of the English-language sources; hook is interesting to me, mentioned in the article and appears to be validated by the Portuguese-language citation (I cannot read Portuguese so AGF on Google Translate); A QPQ has been carried out. Looks fine to me - Dumelow (talk) 13:17, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on January 7[edit]

Janie Taylor

  • ... that ballerina Janie Taylor danced her first lead role with the New York City Ballet when she was eighteen? Source: "Only 18 then, she also brought a distinctive perfume and abandon to the doomed young heroine of 'La Valse.'" ([79])
    • ALT1:... that ballerina Janie Taylor had also design costumes for ballets? Source: "When a colleague approached New York City Ballet's Janie Taylor asking her to design costumes for a ballet he was choreographing, the principal dancer needed little convincing." ([80])
  • Reviewed: TBD

Converted from a redirect by Corachow (talk). Self-nominated at 15:22, 9 January 2021 (UTC).

Usmani family of Deoband

  • Comment: Since this is my first try for DYK, please allow me to improve things in between. I would really appreciate your advises. Thanks. ─ The Aafī (talk) 19:17, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

Created by TheAafi (talk). Self-nominated at 19:17, 7 January 2021 (UTC).


  1. ^ Iqbal Hasan Khān, Shaykh al-Hind Mawlāna Mahmūd Hasan: Hayāt awr Ilmi Kārnāme, Aligarh Muslim University, p. 116
  2. ^ Muhammad Tayyib, Qari. Bukhari, Akbar Shah (ed.). 50 Misaali Shaksiyaat [50 Exemplar personalities] (in Urdu) (July 1999 ed.). pp. 58–59.
  3. ^ Muhammad Miyan Deobandi, Ulama-e-Haqq Aur Unke Mujahidana Karname, 1, pp. 22–23
  4. ^ Iqbal Hasan Khān, Shaykh al-Hind Mawlāna Mahmūd Hasan: Hayāt awr Ilmi Kārnāme, Aligarh Muslim University, p. 116
  5. ^ Muhammad Tayyib, Qari. Bukhari, Akbar Shah (ed.). 50 Misaali Shaksiyaat [50 Exemplar personalities] (in Urdu) (July 1999 ed.). pp. 58–59.
  6. ^ Muhammad Miyan Deobandi, Ulama-e-Haqq Aur Unke Mujahidana Karname, 1, pp. 22–23
  7. ^ Mehdi, Jameel (ed.). "Atiqur Rahman Usmani (1901-1984)". Mufakkir-e-Millat Number, Burhan (November 1987 ed.). Delhi: Nadwatul Musannifeen. pp. 506–507.

Nyasaland Volunteer Reserve

Nyasaland Volunteer Reserve soldiers in 1914/15
Nyasaland Volunteer Reserve soldiers in 1914/15

Moved to mainspace by Dumelow (talk). Self-nominated at 15:36, 7 January 2021 (UTC).

Judith Weinshall Liberman

  • ... that the soft crafting materials used by Judith Weinshall Liberman were described as providing "an important contrast to the Holocaust tragedy"? Source: Ori Soltes, who teaches art and theology at Georgetown University and formerly directed the B’nai B’rith Klutznick National Jewish Museum in Washington, thinks the soft materials Liberman uses provide an important contrast to the Holocaust tragedy. [81]

Created by Nicomachian (talk). Nominated by Modussiccandi (talk) at 15:08, 7 January 2021 (UTC).


  • ... that the yawara is a Japanese weapon that is used for martial arts and was used by American police?
  • Reviewed: Pueblo pottery
  • Comment: DYKcheck states that the article wasn't expanded 5x, but it was. I needed 7,070 characters and I expanded it to 7,177 characters.

5x expanded by SL93 (talk). Self-nominated at 10:42, 7 January 2021 (UTC).

Rānui Ngārimu

Rānui Ngārimu ONZM
Rānui Ngārimu ONZM
  • Comment: This article was created and expanded in preparation for and during a Māori women weavers editathon held in Aotearoa New Zealand on the 7th of January 2021 to address gaps in both English Wikipedia and Wikidata. See Wikipedia:Meetup/Wellington/M%C4%81ori_Women_Weavers_Editathon

Created by Ambrosia10 (talk). Self-nominated at 06:02, 7 January 2021 (UTC).

Kagganapalli Radha Devi

Kagganapalli Radha Devi and her award
Kagganapalli Radha Devi and her award

Created by Victuallers (talk). Self-nominated at 16:36, 9 January 2021 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on January 8[edit]

Red Hook Park

  • Reviewed: Cortinarius britannicus
  • Comment: In the copyright violation detector, there is a blog post that copies a few sentences from Wikipedia; this is a false positive.

5x expanded by Epicgenius (talk). Self-nominated at 22:23, 8 January 2021 (UTC).

Jeyran (wife of Naser al-Din Shah)

  • ... that for Jeyran, the beloved wife of Naser al-Din Shah, a fake genealogy was created that connected her to the Sassanids and Ilkhans? Source: Khosrow Motazed, from Forough Al-Saltanah to Anis Al-Dawlah, p. 145-146

Created by Amir Ghandi (talk). Self-nominated at 17:42, 8 January 2021 (UTC).

Zanzibar Volunteer Defence Force

  • ... that the First World War Zanzibar Volunteer Defence Force included practically every able-bodied British man residing in the protectorate? "practically every able - bodied member of the small British community volunteered for service" from: Lucas, Sir Charles Prestwood (1921). The Empire at War. H. Milford, Oxford University Press. p. 202.

Created/expanded by Dumelow (talk). Self-nominated at 15:52, 8 January 2021 (UTC).

Herman Monim

  • ... that the formation of the Central Irian Jaya province in Indonesia, which was headed by Herman Monim, caused a civil war between the supporters and opponents of the province? Source: Manggut, Wenseslaus; Levi, Cunding (1 September 2003). "Pemekaran yang Menyulut Perang". Tempo.

Created by Jeromi Mikhael (talk). Self-nominated at 05:45, 8 January 2021 (UTC).

Fraser's Hill

- https://www.thestar.com.my/travel/2007/05/19/flee-to-the-hills

Improved to Good Article status by WPSamson (talk). Self-nominated at 03:40, 8 January 2021 (UTC).

  • Comment Hook tweaked for grammar & repetition. Nice place btw, I enjoyed my brief stay! You might add "in Malaysia" to the hook. Johnbod (talk) 17:56, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
 Done Thanks for the edit and the comment. WPSamson (talk) 03:42, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on January 9[edit]


5x expanded by Sammi Brie (talk). Self-nominated at 04:48, 10 January 2021 (UTC).

Julio César Gandarilla Bermejo

  • ... that Julio César Gandarilla Bermejo, former Cuban Minister of the Interior, did not have a Twitter account, even though Cuban president Miguel Díaz-Canel said all senior leaders should have one? Source: [82] "Pese a la solicitud de Miguel Díaz-Canel de que todos los altos dirigentes tuvieran cuenta en Twitter, Gandarrilla no estaba presente en esa red social." ("Despite Miguel Díaz-Canel's request that all senior leaders have a Twitter account, Gandarrilla was not present on that social network.")

5x expanded by Joseph2302 (talk). Self-nominated at 16:59, 9 January 2021 (UTC).

Bill hopper (furniture)

Created by No Swan So Fine (talk). Self-nominated at 16:19, 9 January 2021 (UTC).

The Basketball Fix

5x expanded by SL93 (talk). Self-nominated at 05:37, 9 January 2021 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg I'll approve this, but could you please rework the first paragraph of the "Production" section, because it is a bit unclear to me in regards to some details. And the chronology jumps around a bit.
    1. "Gambling involving college basketball became known in 1951 after multiple trials over scandals." — The book Basketball in America doesn't really say it like that. It simply says that some scandals came to light in 1951. College basketball gambling might have been known to the wide public long before that.
    2. "Ever since spread betting was created by mathematician Charles K. McNeil and the start of doubleheaders at Madison Square Garden, gambling began to include college basketball."
    — The book doesn't seem to mean it like this. To me, it reads:
    A. "For many years, with the development of the point spread system by mathematician cum oddsmaker Charles K. McNeil [...], gamblers have embraced [...] the financial possibilities of betting the spread."
    B. "For many years, with the innovation of doubleheaders at Madison Square Garden, gamblers have embraced the excitement of college basketball [...]."
    3. What were those "doubleheaders at Madison Square Garden"?
    4. "Most of the college basketball gambling occurred in New York."
    — I'm not really sure, but the book seems to say that it was the movie's action that was centered in New York, not the actual real-life gambling. --Moscow Connection (talk) 16:00, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Moscow Connection I'm not sure why you think the book seems to say that it wasn't the actual real-life gambling that was based in New York. The very next sentence after the one that states "Most of the action was centered in New York" says "The most notorious stage of the scandals came when..." which refers to real-life scandals in New York (these things aren't a part of the film's plot). Only the last sentence of that paragraph is about the film. I have an original news article from 1951 here. SL93 (talk) 16:58, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Moscow Connection I think I fixed the issues. To clear things up, there is an article on the scandal at CCNY point shaving scandal and the public (according to a source that I just added) was not aware of such a thing until this scandal happened. if the original hook is used (which I think is the least interesting), it would have to be ... that the 1951 film The Basketball Fix is based on a real-life scandal involving college basketball betting? SL93 (talk) 17:46, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
  • This article should help show what the book means. There is also the fact that Madison Square Garden, in New York, was one of the reasons for the gambling to start. Sorry if my comments come across as rude - I really am just trying to make it clear just in case and nothing more. SL93 (talk) 01:00, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

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